Management Surprised? True Bruins draft record

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

The popular take here is bruins cant draft... since 2013 weve had only 2 top 5 picks... but im about to show you 6-8 players chosen who were all top 5 quality. Im also going to show 23 players taken in 14 years who are all good picks

Here they are in order selected by year and round and career games

2003
1st mark stuart 673
2nd patrice bergeron
6th nate thompson 610
2004
2nd david krejci 758
5th kris versteeg 643
7th matt hunwick 515
2005
4th vladamir sobotka 453
2006
1st phil kessel 904
2nd milan lucic 886
3rd brad marchand 596
2010
1st tyler seguin 581
2nd ryan spooner 263
2011
Dougie hamilton 415
2012
Malcolm subban 18
Matt gryzlyck 53
Matthew benning 127
2014
1st david pastrnak 243
2nd ryan donato 1
Danton heinen 74
Anders bjork 38
2015
Jake debrusk 64
Brandon carlo 152
2016
Charlie mcavoy 59

This is just the guys that now look established in nhl. Theres probably at least 7 guys in the system that will end up in nhl as regulars still on the way

Check out this gameday roster of all drafted bruins

Pastrnak/bergeron/marchand
Kessel/seguin/donato
Debrusk/krejci/lucic
Heinen/sobotka/spooner

Mcavoy/gryzlyck
Carlo/hamilton
Benning/hunwick

Subban


4 perennial top 20 scorers... 2 mvp candidates... a dman that appears norris trophy potential

Sure you can point to 4 draft years we struck out... but try to find any team without at least 4 failed draft years. It happens

Bruins success speaks for itself. Weve been drafting amazingly well for at least past 14 years when it all started stealing bergeron in second round

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[Paddington]

Kessel is nearing in on 1000 games played. Man, I feel old. Good for him.

 

[LouisSleigher]

Your second goaltender can be Michael Hutchinson.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Your second goaltender can be Michael Hutchinson.

Im going to be surprised if he makes it back to nhl...

The one position bruins have had problem drafting is goaltender

Weve come close to identifying/developing good young goalies. I remember being excited about

Jim craig
Blaine lacher
Andrew raycroft
Hannu toivonen
And of course evgeni ryabichicov

Luckily we picked torontos pocket getting rask... and before that found gold in the scrap yard with Thomas... because goaltending was usually a sore spot in the 20 years before that

 

[pkunit]

The popular take here is bruins cant draft... since 2013 weve had only 2 top 5 picks... but im about to show you 6-8 players chosen who were all top 5 quality. Im also going to show 23 players taken in 14 years who are all good picks

Here they are in order selected by year and round and career games

2003
1st mark stuart 673
2nd patrice bergeron
6th nate thompson 610
2004
2nd david krejci 758
5th kris versteeg 643
7th matt hunwick 515
2005
4th vladamir sobotka 453
2006
1st phil kessel 904
2nd milan lucic 886
3rd brad marchand 596
2010
1st tyler seguin 581
2nd ryan spooner 263
2011
Dougie hamilton 415
2012
Malcolm subban 18
Matt gryzlyck 53
Matthew benning 127
2014
1st david pastrnak 243
2nd ryan donato 1
Danton heinen 74
Anders bjork 38
2015
Jake debrusk 64
Brandon carlo 152
2016
Charlie mcavoy 59

This is just the guys that now look established in nhl. Theres probably at least 7 guys in the system that will end up in nhl as regulars still on the way

Check out this gameday roster of all drafted bruins

Pastrnak/bergeron/marchand
Kessel/seguin/donato
Debrusk/krejci/lucic
Heinen/sobotka/spooner

Mcavoy/gryzlyck
Carlo/hamilton
Benning/hunwick

Subban


4 perennial top 20 scorers... 2 mvp candidates... a dman that appears norris trophy potential

Sure you can point to 4 draft years we struck out... but try to find any team without at least 4 failed draft years. It happens

Bruins success speaks for itself. Weve been drafting amazingly well for at least past 14 years when it all started stealing bergeron in second round

If you get one Bobby Orr every hundred years it's all worth it!

 

[chizzler]

2010 and 2011 were gimmies. I guess this comes from everyone’s critic of 2014 under Chia.

 

[RustyBruins72]

The 2014 Class is incredible. They showed it on NESN a few nights ago. Just wow. Chia should be proud.

What happened to Matthew Benning that he ended up with the Oilers? Did the Bruins trade him there or let him go as an FA?

 

[VanIsle]

I always thought the Bruins were one of the best drafting teams in recent memory, they have done a great job and I am proud of the scouts for doing such a great job in the later rounds.

 

[LSCII]

You're changing the narrative quite a bit here, AOF. You're crossing multiple regimes and painting them all with a broad brush stroke. Nobody was saying the Bruins have been terrible drafting for this entire century. In fact, for the current group, the knock hasn't been poor drafting, but NHL player evaluations for trade. If anything, the drafting has easily been Sweeney's strong suit. The drafting under Sinden/OC before Chiarelli was also very good. So lumping that group in is also a misnomer, IMO. What people have said was during the Chiarelli years, they blew quite a few picks, had guys not pan out, and that negatively impacted them to the point where the felt compelled to overpay to retain bottom of the roster guys, since they had no fixed cost youth taking those spots away.

I still will argue that the drafting under Chia wasn't as poor as it looks on the surface, but was in fact compounded by a coach that was unwilling to tweak his system to fit different skill sets.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I always argue drafting is only part of getting kids to nhl. Creating an enviroment that provides support to kids is important. Letting kids experience success so they stay focused

Detroit/new jersey for a decade or more were poster children we all pointed too... look they are doing it again

And for awhile they were worthy of the praise

I am including more than one regieme here because its an argument ive had here for what feels like 20 years. You may not have heard critism of our drafting but i go back to the days of kevyn adams and evgeny ryabichokov and even dave pasin


When i joined hf i got a chance to interview kids here and part7cipate in the top 50. We had prospects like nick boynton and shaonne morrisson and kyle wanvig being debated

But no one mentioned joe Thornton or sergei samsonov because they were gimmies

Its a huge arguement i have... when critics dont want to acknowledge gimmies, but in the same voice critique a team for passing on a consensus choice

As for missing a draft class... ive done numerous studies which show your odds of picking a player outside the top 10 that becomes anthing worthwhile is less than 50%... those odds go way down in later rounds

There probably was less than 28 second round guys picked in my sample who became very good... 28 out of 420 or a 1 in 15 chance and look at us with krejci, bergeron, lucic, carlo and now donato

The bruins system of investing in scouting... looking for character and compete... having a strong minor system... stressing responsible living and character leadership in the locker room... its all combind to deliver amazingly good results for developing kids into good nhl pros

 

[Marcobruin]

Bruins draft 2015 imo is a bust. Debrusk looks like he may be a decent scoring left winger.however when you had 3 attempts to get Barzal or Connor.and you didn't draft them.You have to wonder that the scouting staff were sleeping.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Oh boy...

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Bruins draft 2015 imo is a bust. Debrusk looks like he may be a decent scoring left winger.however when you had 3 attempts to get Barzal or Connor.and you didn't draft them.You have to wonder that the scouting staff were sleeping.

Top 6 Winger, Top 4 defenseman from the draft? Big. Time. Bust. It would not be thread talking about Bruins draft picks without having to mention Barzal, Connor. You see the thread that discusses Bruins drafting? Half-mast. Comes in and talks about players they didn't draft? Full-mast. Like freaking clockwork. You forgot Chabot, Konecny, and Boeser...Feel free to add anymore hindsight picks you see fit. Sebastian Aho....2nd rounder, should have been taken with one of their 3 picks, amirite?

Three attempts at those two players. Bruins chose Zboril (Best D available, 1st rounder), DeBrusk (1st rounder) and Senyshyn. They reached on one player. They weren't the first team to reach on a player, and they won't be the last. We need to move on from this tiring shtick. Also, how is that draft a "bust" when we haven't even seen some of the players taken in the first two rounds play in the NHL yet?

 

[774EVER]

Yeah, I haven't really been that disappointed with their drafting. Their Pro Scouting on the other hand.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Is it too early to call the 2018 draft a bust?

 

[Chip off the Rohloff]

Bruins draft 2015 imo is a bust. Debrusk looks like he may be a decent scoring left winger.however when you had 3 attempts to get Barzal or Connor.and you didn't draft them.You have to wonder that the scouting staff were sleeping.

Don't agree about the 2015 draft class being a bust. Fair to be skeptical about Senyshyn since he is developing slower than many expected and about Zboril as he still has not cracked the NHL roster. Debrusk and Carlo automatically make the 2015 draft class a success. Sweeney and company managed to draft a top six winger and top four defender within three years out of their draft year. Not to mention that the jury is still out on JFK's ceiling as an NHL center, Lauzon's ability to remain healthy, and whether or not Vladar puts it all together long-term as an NHL goalie.

 

[Dr Hook]

Bruins draft 2015 imo is a bust. Debrusk looks like he may be a decent scoring left winger.however when you had 3 attempts to get Barzal or Connor.and you didn't draft them.You have to wonder that the scouting staff were sleeping.

We got two NHL regulars- a top 4 d-man and a top 6 wing- out of that draft. But it is a bust because Barzal!!!!

 

[Mainehockey33]

Don't agree about the 2015 draft class being a bust. Fair to be skeptical about Senyshyn since he is developing slower than many expected and about Zboril as he still has not cracked the NHL roster. Debrusk and Carlo automatically make the 2015 draft class a success. Sweeney and company managed to draft a top six winger and top four defender within three years out of their draft year. Not to mention that the jury is still out on JFK's ceiling as an NHL center, Lauzon's ability to remain healthy, and whether or not Vladar puts it all together long-term as an NHL goalie.

Which is normal for a defenseman his age. We’ve been spoiled with Carlo (from that rotten 2015 draft) and Mcavoy. Calling the draft a bust after three years when we already have two regulars on the team is silly. People have no patience to let these guys develop.

 

[Ratty]

The 2014 Class is incredible. They showed it on NESN a few nights ago. Just wow. Chia should be proud.

What happened to Matthew Benning that he ended up with the Oilers? Did the Bruins trade him there or let him go as an FA?

Elected not to sign. Exercised his option after graduation.

 

[Marcobruin]

Top 6 Winger, Top 4 defenseman from the draft? Big. Time. Bust. It would not be thread talking about Bruins draft picks without having to mention Barzal, Connor. You see the thread that discusses Bruins drafting? Half-mast. Comes in and talks about players they didn't draft? Full-mast. Like freaking clockwork. You forgot Chabot, Konecny, and Boeser...Feel free to add anymore hindsight picks you see fit. Sebastian Aho....2nd rounder, should have been taken with one of their 3 picks, amirite?

Three attempts at those two players. Bruins chose Zboril (Best D available, 1st rounder), DeBrusk (1st rounder) and Senyshyn. They reached on one player. They weren't the first team to reach on a player, and they won't be the last. We need to move on from this tiring shtick. Also, how is that draft a "bust" when we haven't even seen some of the players taken in the first two rounds play in the NHL yet?

All right then if they had to do it all over again you wouldn't have them change a thing.. right???....excuses excuses
3 attempts and failed.
I pointed out Barzal and Connor ..they were the next 2
I personally was most excited on senyshyn but that excitement is evaporating.

 

[Gordoff]

I apologize in advance for any of the editorial points I've made above!

 

[Marcobruin]

Don't agree about the 2015 draft class being a bust. Fair to be skeptical about Senyshyn since he is developing slower than many expected and about Zboril as he still has not cracked the NHL roster. Debrusk and Carlo automatically make the 2015 draft class a success. Sweeney and company managed to draft a top six winger and top four defender within three years out of their draft year. Not to mention that the jury is still out on JFK's ceiling as an NHL center, Lauzon's ability to remain healthy, and whether or not Vladar puts it all together long-term as an NHL goalie.

I referred to it as a bust more in the sense of what they missed with more attempts to Hit then any other team. As I said Debrusk looks good .
Barzal and Connor the very next 2 players chosen after senyshyn look at least for now like high top players above the players the bruins drafted

 

[Marcobruin]

We got two NHL regulars- a top 4 d-man and a top 6 wing- out of that draft. But it is a bust because Barzal!!!!

how a top 4 dman ? Carlo has virtually no offense to him ..at least he's shown none. He is going to have to be one heck of a defensive dman to be a top 4 d. He had some real good spurts ..I agree but surely not all season long.
And it's not only Barzal
It's Connor who btw scored 31 goals
And if we go further down..it's boeser
Konecny and possibly samsonov

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

All right then if they had to do it all over again you wouldn't have them change a thing.. right???....excuses excuses

Nope, because there will never be a do-over on anything in life, so I'm not going to "do-over" a f***ing draft in hockey.

3 attempts and failed.

1/3 actually, and the other two choices haven't done anything to warrant being "busts".

I pointed out Barzal and Connor ..they were the next 2

Wonderful. Imagine if Boston had taken PK Subban instead of Tommy Cross. What a blunder! Hamill over Couture, same f***ing draft. Complete fail. And yet, we can do it with McAvoy or Pastrnak going the opposite way.... It works both ways, which is why it is a tiring take.

I personally was most excited on senyshyn but that excitement is evaporating.

No patience. Shocker.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

how a top 4 dman ? Carlo has virtually no offense to him ..at least he's shown none. He is going to have to be one heck of a defensive dman to be a top 4 d. He had some real good spurts ..I agree but surely not all season long.
And it's not only Barzal
It's Connor who btw scored 31 goals
And if we go further down..it's boeser
Konecny and possibly samsonov

Lmfao...Samsonov hasn't done diddly shit in the NHL, so what the f*** is that garbage take? So he "possibly" could be a player we look back on and hindsight, but the two players the Bruins draft aren't? FOH with this take. You're all wet.