Management Surprised? True Bruins draft record

[Mainehockey33]

how a top 4 dman ? Carlo has virtually no offense to him ..at least he's shown none. He is going to have to be one heck of a defensive dman to be a top 4 d. He had some real good spurts ..I agree but surely not all season long.
And it's not only Barzal
It's Connor who btw scored 31 goals
And if we go further down..it's boeser
Konecny and possibly samsonov

Based on the fact he plays in the top 4?

This argument is pointless. Nothings good, the glass is half empty, I listen to Felger everyday.

 

[Mainehockey33]

You know who else had virtually no offense? Johnny Boychuk.

 

[Dr Hook]

Based on the fact he plays in the top 4?

Yeah pretty much that

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Oh boy...

It always comes back to that, one way or another

In order to judge the past drafts I do think you have to look at the other players taken around them.

Mark Stuart is a perfect example. In a vacuum, he’s not a bad pick, but there were so many other guys that turned out to be better NHL players. In that context, I understand the Barzal references. The difference is that one draft was 15 years ago and CAN be judged accurately, while the other was 3 years ago and the picture is not clear yet.

Speaking of Mark Stuart, he played last year in the DEL (Germany).

 

[Marcobruin]

Based on the fact he plays in the top 4?

This argument is pointless. Nothings good, the glass is half empty, I listen to Felger everyday.

Again, i am referring to the players they may have drafted with the attempts they had and didn't.
If you recall when they drafted senyshyn
Hockey people and fans were surprised maybe even shocked since he was mostly slated to go in the second Rd....so fans like myself are thinking DS and company must know something others don't....can't say it has turned out that way.
As far as the half empty glass theory....let me ask you..You don't think when the the bruins brass evaluate the 2015 draft they don't ask themselves how did we get some of these guys get away?
You don't think they have no thoughts of second guessing themselves?
I sure think they do even when they're drinking off their half full glasses.

 

[Dr Hook]

It always comes back to that, one way or another

In order to judge the past drafts I do think you have to look at the other players taken around them.

Mark Stuart is a perfect example. In a vacuum, he’s not a bad pick, but there were so many other guys that turned out to be better NHL players. In that context, I understand the Barzal references. The difference is that one draft was 15 years ago and CAN be judged accurately, while the other was 3 years ago and the picture is not clear yet.

Speaking of Mark Stuart, he played last year in the DEL (Germany).

That's fair enough, but if you aren't drafting in the lottery spots, Jake DeBrusk was a great pick no matter how you compare and Carlo in the second round? Barzal has had a better start, and so has Connor, but let's see how they finish, or where they are in even 3 years. No matter who was drafted around them, there is no way you can label 2015 a bust even if no one else from that class makes it.

 

[Dr Hook]

Again, i am referring to the players they may have drafted with the attempts they had and didn't.
If you recall when they drafted senyshyn
Hockey people and fans were surprised maybe even shocked since he was mostly slated to go in the second Rd....so fans like myself are thinking DS and company must know something others don't....can't say it has turned out that way.
As far as the half empty glass theory....let me ask you..You don't think when the the bruins brass evaluate the 2015 draft they don't ask themselves how did we get some of these guys get away?
You don't think they have no thoughts of second guessing themselves?
I sure think they do even when they're drinking off their half full glasses.

Okay, but this is a different argument than calling it a bust, which is what you did. If we had not gotten two quality NHL players already out of that draft then you might have a point about it being a bust.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Again, i am referring to the players they may have drafted with the attempts they had and didn't.
If you recall when they drafted senyshyn
Hockey people and fans were surprised maybe even shocked since he was mostly slated to go in the second Rd....so fans like myself are thinking DS and company must know something others don't....can't say it has turned out that way.
As far as the half empty glass theory....let me ask you..You don't think when the the bruins brass evaluate the 2015 draft they don't ask themselves how did we get some of these guys get away?
You don't think they have no thoughts of second guessing themselves?
I sure think they do even when they're drinking off their half full glasses.

It’s way too early.

Is there any scenario where you won’t view this draft as a bust? What if Zboril and Senyshyn are both on the team this year? Does it even matter or is it still a bust because we didn’t draft Barzal?

 

[Marcobruin]

It’s way too early.

Is there any scenario where you won’t view this draft as a bust? What if Zboril and Senyshyn are both on the team this year? Does it even matter or is it still a bust because we didn’t draft Barzal?

Mainehockey its not only if they are on the team it's also how much they contribute. Tons have made it to the nhl
For either a cup of coffee or mediocre careers.
It's not only Barzal..it's Connor and if we go further down its boeser as well.
You might be right though that it might be too early.. if for ex Barzal Connor Boeser and even konecny just came in with a bang and start to dissapear then
Of course it won't be a big deal. However I would be very curious to know what the bruins scouts would say if we asked
Would you right now rather have say
Barzal and Connor or Barzal and Boeser or even Boeser and Connor(didnt even mention konecny) rather than say zboril and senyshyn?
What do you feel they might answer?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Mainehockey its not only if they are on the team it's also how much they contribute. Tons have made it to the nhl
For either a cup of coffee or mediocre careers.
It's not only Barzal..it's Connor and if we go further down its boeser as well.
You might be right though that it might be too early.. if for ex Barzal Connor Boeser and even konecny just came in with a bang and start to dissapear then
Of course it won't be a big deal. However I would be very curious to know what the bruins scouts would say if we asked
Would you right now rather have say
Barzal and Connor or Barzal and Boeser or even Boeser and Connor(didnt even mention konecny) rather than say zboril and senyshyn?
What do you feel they might answer?

They’d say we drafted the players we wanted to draft, now we wait and watch them develop. I don’t think they’re crying over not drafting those guys, it’s time to move on.

 

[Marcobruin]

They’d say we drafted the players we wanted to draft, now we wait and watch them develop. I don’t think they’re crying over not drafting those guys, it’s time to move on.

Maybe not crying but I'd bet they are scratching their heads.
I understand the notion to move on like when the bruins traded Seguin..many would say .."move on ". It's very important for a franchise not to trivialize their choices and learn from them and if need be make whatever changes necessary. Trades and drafting are of extreme importance to the future of a respective franchise . Every choice or move needs to be contemplated and create a plan to future prevent these moves and/or putting the right work to increase the likelihood of making the right moves..
Simply moving on with no recourse doesn't help any for the future.

 

[Grimey]

2015 draft was and is not a failure. If you can get one of DeBrusk or Carlo and have them contribute as early as they have (let alone both of them), I would call that a success. Some of these takes on Zboril and Senyshyn being busts for not being in the NHL yet remind me of my ex-girlfriend threatening to leave me for not moving in with her after a week.

 

[Dicky113]

Nope, because there will never be a do-over on anything in life, so I'm not going to "do-over" a ****ing draft in hockey.



1/3 actually, and the other two choices haven't done anything to warrant being "busts".



Wonderful. Imagine if Boston had taken PK Subban instead of Tommy Cross. What a blunder! Hamill over Couture, same ****ing draft. Complete fail. And yet, we can do it with McAvoy or Pastrnak going the opposite way.... It works both ways, which is why it is a tiring take.



No patience. Shocker.

It was a bust because you didn’t need hindsight to see it was a mistake. The entire hockey world including most knowledgeable fans were shocked and outraged. You can’t expect a thread about how great bruins drafting has been not to include commentary about perhaps the biggest drafting gaffe in the past 10 years. This wouldn’t be much of a message board if that kind of ball washing went on unchecked.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

It was a bust because you didn’t need hindsight to see it was a mistake. The entire hockey world including most knowledgeable fans were shocked and outraged. You can’t expect a thread about how great bruins drafting has been not to include commentary about perhaps the biggest drafting gaffe in the past 10 years. This wouldn’t be much of a message board if that kind of ball washing went on unchecked.

Give me a break. If Barzal was this good, he wouldn't have fallen to the Bruins. Teams before the Bruins f***ed up too, so what is the point of bringing it up constantly? You can do it for every single draft.

 

[Bruinaura]

Is it too early to call the 2018 draft a bust?

Yes.

Everyone knows you have to wait until they fail their first fitness test.

 

[missingchicklet]

Pro tip: Every f***ing team in the league passes over players from time to time, some more than others, who end up being better than players they select. Every damn one of them. I guess every team that passed on Pasta are complete idiots. Every team that passed on Bergeron are idiots. Every team that passed on Marchand are idiots. Every team that passes on a first rounder who ends up being better than those selected in front of him are idiots. The level of autistic screeching since that draft with Barzal is hilarious. Let it go and move on with life. Hell we could do this exercise on bitching and moaning about dozens of players passed on in the draft around the league, and it wouldn't add up to Jack f***ing shit.

 

[Estlin]

With regard to the 2015 first-round picks, who would you rather have at this point in time:

Zboril, Debrusk and Barzal or Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn?

 

[Mpasta]

Give me a break. If Barzal was this good, he wouldn't have fallen to the Bruins. Teams before the Bruins ****ed up too, so what is the point of bringing it up constantly? You can do it for every single draft.

We're in a thread about recent drafts...

 

[00BW]

In the past I gave a lot of credit to Bruins turn around in drafting to Gretzky becoming the Dir of Amateur Scouting but he had been with the Bruins for 2 years prior as a scout.
The one guy that was added in the 2013/2014 season as an amateur scout was PJ Axelsson. So his first full year would be the 2014 draft. I remember reading he recommended Blidh the year before but he was still playing for Frolunda that season so maybe he was hired just before the 2013 draft.

I suppose it might just be coincidence but I wonder how much of an influence he has had on the Bruins amateur scouting, both individually and the scout team meetings.
On their Scouting Page, he's the only one that scouts Europe and North America. Most of the scouts have smaller, specific areas like College or Western Canada.
Scouting Staff

 

[Marcobruin]

Lmfao...Samsonov hasn't done diddly **** in the NHL, so what the **** is that garbage take? So he "possibly" could be a player we look back on and hindsight, but the two players the Bruins draft aren't? FOH with this take. You're all wet.

I said Possibly Samsonov is if you read the different reports on him .He may be the or surely one of the best goalies outside the NHL.i used the word possibly since this in itself does in no way gurantee them any stardom in the nhl.
Zboril and senyshyn for the most part haven't been that impressive.
Can this change ...sure. This will be a telling year for both.
If you're satisfied say picking zboril and senyshyn vs Barzal Connor or Barzal Boeser at this point then no matter what one says you will stick to it ..
Wonder who all of the nhl scouts would choose if they had the choice?
Quite certain most know the answer
If they're choosing between the aforementioned players. Eventhough I like Debrusk would the majority of the scouts pick him over those players ?
Not sure of that one.
Say the Bruins hadn't picked niether of those 3 and chosen Barzal Connor and Boeser. Would you now be saying..man I wish they'd pick zboril or senyshyn or even maybe Debrusk?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

We're in a thread about recent drafts...

It looks to me the topic of the thread is to discuss the players the Bruins actually picked. Not rehash the 2015 draft....again.

 

[00BW]

I said Possibly Samsonov is if you read the different reports on him .He may be the or surely one of the best goalies outside the NHL.i used the word possibly since this in itself does in no way gurantee them any stardom in the nhl.
Zboril and senyshyn for the most part haven't been that impressive.
Can this change ...sure. This will be a telling year for both.
If you're satisfied say picking zboril and senyshyn vs Barzal Connor or Barzal Boeser at this point then no matter what one says you will stick to it ..
Wonder who all of the nhl scouts would choose if they had the choice?
Quite certain most know the answer
If they're choosing between the aforementioned players. Eventhough I like Debrusk would the majority of the scouts pick him over those players ?
Not sure of that one.
Say the Bruins hadn't picked niether of those 3 and chosen Barzal Connor and Boeser. Would you now be saying..man I wish they'd pick zboril or senyshyn or even maybe Debrusk?

If you want to redraft 2015, you can. None of those guys you want will be available to the Bruins at 13. They would be picked starting 3rd instead of Strome, Hanifin, Zacha, Meier, Crouse, and Guryanov.

 

[ODAAT]

With regard to the 2015 first-round picks, who would you rather have at this point in time:

Zboril, Debrusk and Barzal or Zboril, Debrusk and Senyshyn?

I`ll let ya know once I`m done over analyzing the 2011 draft and who the Bruins didn`t draft

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[Sevendust]

It was a bust because you didn’t need hindsight to see it was a mistake. The entire hockey world including most knowledgeable fans were shocked and outraged. You can’t expect a thread about how great bruins drafting has been not to include commentary about perhaps the biggest drafting gaffe in the past 10 years. This wouldn’t be much of a message board if that kind of ball washing went on unchecked.

For me its even worse that Edmonton traded the very next pic to get Griffin Reinhart and paid a very heavy price to get him. At least Boston got some
players with potential. Reinhart is already gone to Vegas without getting anything.