Superleague talks

[Albatros]

But it would still draw enough viewers from FIFA's tournament that FIFA would be forced to back off of this threat before the next tournament.

It would inevitably be a couple of unofficial teams playing one another multiple times, significantly less attractive than even the Super League concept in itself. Like the World Cup of Hockey but worse.

 

[gary69]

It would inevitably be a couple of unofficial teams playing one another multiple times, significantly less attractive than even the Super League concept in itself. Like the World Cup of Hockey but worse.

Yeah, it would probably be something like 8 teams (like World Cup of Hockey), but since almost all of the best 100 players in the World would be in that tournament, it would seriously undermine the FIFA World Cup. Certainly TV money for the FIFA WC would take a huge hit.

Not to mention that the FIFA tournament would be played on smaller worse stadiums.

 

[Albatros]

Yeah, it would probably be something like 8 teams (like World Cup of Hockey), but since almost all of the best 100 players in the World would be in that tournament, it would seriously undermine the FIFA World Cup. Certainly TV money for the FIFA WC would take a huge hit.

Not to mention that the FIFA tournament would be played on smaller worse stadiums.

I'm not sure if even 8 is doable. England, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil? They would need combined squads for more, but that would make it even more unattractive like happened with WCoH.

 

[gary69]

I'm not sure if even 8 is doable. England, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil? They would need combined squads for more, but that would make it even more unattractive like happened with WCoH.

Yes, of course they would be probably two combined squads. It would still be much more attractive than the FIFA WC, where England's best player would be someone like Danny Ings, Germany's Lars Stindl, Spain's Rodrigo (Valencia).

 

[Albatros]

Yes, of course they would be probably two combined squads. It would still be much more attractive than the FIFA WC, where England's best player would be someone like Danny Ings, Germany's Lars Stindl, Spain's Rodrigo (Valencia).

There wouldn't be a whole lot of German players in the new Super League, not enough for a full squad. England and Spain would certainly be hit hard.

 

[gary69]

There wouldn't be a whole lot of German players in the new Super League, not enough for a full squad. England and Spain would certainly be hit hard.

Of course there would be. They'd probably have something like 40 player squads and no limits on transfers, loans (including to other leagues), salaries, FFP. there would easily be 20 German players there at least.

 

[Albatros]

Of course there would be. They'd probably have something like 40 player squads and no limits on transfers, loans (including to other leagues), salaries, FFP. there would easily be 20 German players there at least.

I really doubt that many top Bundesliga players would be interested in joining the reserves of a Super League team, if they for some reason want to spend their extra income on 40 players they'll have to harvest lesser leagues for it.

 

[gary69]

I really doubt that many top Bundesliga players would be interested in joining the reserves of a Super League team, if they for some reason want to spend their extra income on 40 players they'll have to harvest lesser leagues for it.

When considering tha financial and other aspects, Superleague would most likely include 32 teams, with 1-3 teams relegated each season (if teams looking for promotion are on sound enough financial footing, similar to NHL expansions). They're not stupid not to start their league half-assed instead of crushing the rival leagues.

Something along the lines (give or take 1 club per nation): England 7, Italy 5, Germany 4, Spain 4, France 4, Portugal 3, Netherlands 2, Belgium 1, Russia 1, others 1 = 32. So 352 starting spots for players and 160 subs every match day. If you can't see 20+ German players in that, I don't know what to say.

 

[Albatros]

The current proposal has 6 teams from England, 3 each from Spain and Italy, 2 from Germany, and 1 from France.

Even so it's difficult to see what two German clubs would be interested, Red Bull perhaps.

 

[cgf]

I'm not sure if even 8 is doable. England, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil? They would need combined squads for more, but that would make it even more unattractive like happened with WCoH.

Germany too...and the point is it would still do well up against FIFA's tourney without those top players.

 

[Albatros]

Germany too...and the point is it would still do well up against FIFA's tourney without those top players.

You'll need to count dual citizens that currently represent other countries like Matip and Çalhanoğlu if you want to get even to 11 German players at clubs that are behind the proposed league. They would have two goalkeepers in Leno and ter Stegen but no other substitutes.

 

[cgf]

There wouldn't be a whole lot of German players in the new Super League, not enough for a full squad. England and Spain would certainly be hit hard.

Depends on who qualified for this superleague. If Bayern, Dortmund & Leipzig made the cut, while Barca/PSG/Chelsea got in from their leagues; you'd have most of the NT there.

Sane/Werner - Havertz - Gnabry
Goretzka - Gundogan*
Kimmich
Halstenburg - Süle* - Can* - Klostermann
ter Stegen
​

With a bench consisting of some combination of Werner/Sane, Reus, Brandt*, Dahoud*, Draxler, Kroos, Henrichs, Schulz, Kehrer*, Rudiger*, & Neuer. Plus vets who can still play like Müller, Hummels*, Boateng, etc.; and kids who are breaking through & have NT talent like Moukoko, Samardzic, Stiller, etc.


You could make a good team with the remaining german players, but not one that was as good as this superleague team. Would be left with something like:

Volland
Wirtz - Kruse/Stindl - Hofmann
Kramer - Neuhaus
Gosens - Ginter - Tah/Koch - Baku
Leno
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Volland
Wirtz - Kruse/Stindl
Gosens - Neuhaus - Hofmann - Baku
Kramer - Ginter - Tah/Koch
Leno​

With Kruse/Stindl, Waldschmidt, Amiri, Demirbay, Geiger/Eggestein, Max, Tah/Koch, Torunarigha, Friedrich. Plus kids who are just breaking through like Berisha, Nmecha, Adeyemi, Jakobs, Thielmann, Leweling, etc.

 

[Albatros]

FC Bayern has already indicated that they are not interested in joining. And I seriously doubt that any German club where the fans have a say would.

 

[gary69]

The current proposal has 6 teams from England, 3 each from Spain and Italy, 2 from Germany, and 1 from France.

Even so it's difficult to see what two German clubs would be interested, Red Bull perhaps.

It's unlikely to go ahead until they can corner the TV-market hugely in their favour. Not worth the risk for moderate financial gains compared to current domestic and CL revenue. Once they get to at least 20 clubs committed, it'll go ahead and others will be lining up to join.

 

[gary69]

FC Bayern has already indicated that they are not interested in joining. And I seriously doubt that any German club where the fans have a say would.

Bayern will join, if only for the reason that Superleague teams could sign their players without transfer fee on a regular employee's contract one month termination notice as per EU law and could offer their players much higher salaries.

 

[Albatros]

Bayern will join, if only for the reason that Superleague teams could sign their players without transfer fee on a regular employee's contract one month termination notice as per EU law and could offer their players much higher salaries.

That's not something their fans (voting members) care about.

 

[cgf]

That's not something their fans (voting members) care about.

They'll care when they're the third/4th best team in germany and can no longer compete with the new giants

 

[Albatros]

If Red Bull or another corporate club does join then most fans will see that as good riddance. But I doubt that the Premier League teams are planning to abandon their current competition to play in Wolfsburg or Sinsheim instead.

 

[gary69]

That's not something their fans (voting members) care about.

Of course they would care. Their best player if they stayed outside of Superleague would be the one who's about the 100oth best player in the world today. i don't even know who that would be. Maybe some one like Choupo - Mouting. And the Uefa CL prize money for winners would be something like 1 million and for Superleague winners 100 millions.

 

[Albatros]

German football is sustainable the way it operates today, there's no need for more money and fans have consistently rejected that by not allowing investor control. What they want first and foremost is affordable tickets, beer, and bratwurst. Not being able to overpay the likes of Alaba is not even a factor.

 

[Evilo]

Germany too...and the point is it would still do well up against FIFA's tourney without those top players.

Erh, Bayern has put pressure on UEFA in every single format change to benefit their money. Think they would do differently in that scenario?
Nope. BVB would join too.

 

[Evilo]

German football is sustainable the way it operates today, there's no need for more money and fans have consistently rejected that by not allowing investor control. What they want first and foremost is affordable tickets, beer, and bratwurst. Not being able to overpay the likes of Alaba is not even a factor.

Bayern's tickets are awfully expensive.
But yeah I'm sure they care about affordable tickets....

 

[Albatros]

Bayern's tickets are awfully expensive.

Starting from 15 euros, season ticket 140 euros (8.24 euros per match). Most expensive seats likewise 70 euros for a ticket, 750 euros for a season. I think it's very reasonable.

 

[Evilo]

Average ticket is over 200€.
average ticket price bayern munich - Google Search

Cheapest is over 55€.

 

[bluesfan94]

Average ticket is over 200€.
average ticket price bayern munich - Google Search

Cheapest is over 55€.

That must be on the secondary market.
https://fcbayern.com/binaries/conte...ing/preisliste-2020_21-en.pdf?v=1596802939916