Fair points. Spencer to me has top pairing upside, Crouse to me easily has that offensive game as I have seen it plenty of times. I just feel like every year Americans and Europeans have tons of exposure earlier than the CHL kids, then around February lists start to end up with more Canadians.
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Interesting to note how much the rankings changed in the middle of the first round in Mackenzie's list. What could it mean in terms of viability of trading a roster player for a mid round pick if there's this much variance?
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He's just kind of having a slow start. He's only on pace for a 40ish point season, which is improvement but less than what you'd want for a top 15 pick at this point. Again I see the tools and the potential you're talking about but if Crouse wants to get top 15, he needs to start showing that potential more. A 40 point pace isn't cutting IMO.
That said I'm not all that worried, it's been 16 games. Virtanen had a similar kind of start and still ended up with 45 goals and a PPG season and capping it off by being drafted 6th. Crouse has lots of time.
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What do you mean? Like his list from teh start of the year to the end of the year?
I understand everyone's issues with Crouse, I just don't have issues with his game at all. He is a top 15 pick that a ya his best hockey with a highly skilled, offensively minded centre. He is the real deal and will prove plenty of people wrong who have rated him so low so far. I feel people don't really focus on Spencer when watching him, he's constantly the Pete's most important players, logs so many minutes and defends at an elite level. He will also most likely go in the top 15 and some team will be very lucky to grab him.
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Craig Button has Barzal in the mid-first round jeez if that happened i'd hope to draft him lol
also anyone interested in a Dutch Kessel? (ie Daniel Sprong lol)
also anyone interested in a Dutch Kessel? (ie Daniel Sprong lol)
I am super wary of prospects who "need" a certain kind of player to be at their max effectiveness. To me it's not fair to the rest of the top 15 prospects to say "well crouse is definitely top 15 he just needs X kind of player to show it." That's a knock on him. Like I said, glorified Tom Wilson.
As for Spencer, i like him. I really do. He's a real anchor for the Petes, but i don't see the top pairing upside. His game is too...unremarkable in my opinion, not that that's a bad thing necessarily for a defenseman, but look at where similar defensemen have gone in the past. Around 25-40. A guy like Provorov or Werenski for example are every bit as good defending but are superior in a few other ways so i have trouble ranking Spencer up there with them.
Not a big deal, I just disagree with you on these 2 players. My point with Crouse is that he excels when playing with other highly skilled offensive players, having a pivot like Crouse will have teams salivating, you are drafting on pure potential and he has some of the highest. I don't really see how you can view his game as to unremarkable, can you elaborate a little bit on that? Similar defenceman that have gone around that range include Stuart Percy, Mark Pysyk, Joe Morrow etc... Matt is a better prospect than all of those guys, he gets criminally underrated.
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As was mentioned, the other guy started throwing. I was impressed how well he stood up for himself. Beat the kid up pretty good once he got going.
The other thing of course is that he's connor mcdavid. Stupid if you're a bubble draftee. If you're McDavid, what are you scared of with a broken hand?
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Subway series last night, caught the 3rd after coming home. No one stood out to me, even Reinhart looked unremarkable.
If I had to choose a player, it would be Hayden Fleury's mobility will make him interesting, could be a very good one.
If I had to choose a player, it would be Hayden Fleury's mobility will make him interesting, could be a very good one.
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How he stood up for himself? Come on, the guy's the most talented prospect since Crosby (probably) but that wasn't him standing up for himself. He slashed the guy first, took a slash back and then escalated the situation. Whatever, it happens all the time in hockey and isn't really that big of a deal. Let's not make this into some big "ohh McDavid bad" or "oh McDavid awesomeeeee!".
It's a regular occurring thing in hockey. Leave it at that. It doesn't make McDavid either better prospect or worse. Just a hockey player.
I might get raked over the coals for this but i like his game more than Rielly's and i think he has a higher offensive ceiling. I dont think they are similar, though, Roy's much shiftier and slicker while Rielly is more apt to use his size to defend. Roy's skating and puckhandling are prettier but not necessarily more effective. I also like Roy's aggressiveness a lot, if Rielly had that killer instinct he would get much better much faster imo
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From what I've seen of Roy(which isn't a lot I grant you) he doesn't have the dynamic speed burst and power that Riellly generates even when even when Rielly was that age.
He looks to me more cool calm Dman in the mold of a Shattenkirk.
I don't see Roy at the same age in the same class as Rielly, But his production in the Q is impressive thus far.
He looks to me more cool calm Dman in the mold of a Shattenkirk.
I don't see Roy at the same age in the same class as Rielly, But his production in the Q is impressive thus far.
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IMHO I don't think Roy is at Rielly's level of skating, but he makes up for it with his great hockey sense, vision, anticipation etc...these things can take a defender a long way. I'd love to see him paired with Rielly some day 
IMHO I don't think Roy is at Rielly's level of skating, but he makes up for it with his great hockey sense, vision, anticipation etc...these things can take a defender a long way. I'd love to see him paired with Rielly some day
I'm more of a Kylington fan...I don't know what it is about him but he just screams #1 D man to me.
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I'm not sure he'll fall all that much due to the size factor if you look at some of the other forwards who are project to go in the same area. Konecny, Merkley and Barzal don't exactly have size on their side either. If he falls, it'll probably only be a couple spots, and probably still in the top 15.
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