Speculation: Summer 2018 General Speculation/Discussion Thread

[CBJx614]

No f***ing way in hell do I trade Panarin to Pittsburgh or Washington.


You think we're little brother now...yeah lets give Pittsburgh another cornerstone player so they can dominate us for the next decade as well..Pitt doesn't have the pieces necessary to get Panarin, no way in hell do I trade Panarin for Kessel..

 

[Maylo]

DSL, can we have this thread Panarin free? Please?

 

[cslebn]

Looking at the remaining UFA D men I'm hard pressed to find anyone I would want as a 6/7 D.

You've got guys the game passed by like Fayne and Quincy, garrison, Beauch, Bieksa, etc

Others you're not sure you trust like Sbisa.

Some that are just bad like Stoner.

Enstrom has skill but not really what we need I think.
Jerabak could be interesting but honestly sounds like JJ.

Sadly Emelin might be the best fit in the bunch and he's not good.

 

[Jackets16]

No ****ing way in hell do I trade Panarin to Pittsburgh or Washington.


You think we're little brother now...yeah lets give Pittsburgh another cornerstone player so they can dominate us for the next decade as well..Pitt doesn't have the pieces necessary to get Panarin, no way in hell do I trade Panarin for Kessel..

Would you have made the original Panarin trade if we were still in the same division as Chicago?

 

[CBJx614]

Would you have made the original Panarin trade if we were still in the same division as Chicago?

Well I didn't think Forsberg was gonna amount to much and Panarin for Saad is a no brainer..

If we trade Panarin we're giving up the best player in the deal. That much is a certainty. Unless we get a pick and he ends up being a franchise player the reality is we're not getting a equal return for Panarin unless it's a sign and trade.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

DSL, can we have this thread Panarin free? Please?

Wubba liked your post but couldn't help himself 3-4 posts later.

 

[Jackets16]

Okay.

If the best trade is with a team from our division, we should make the trade. I don't think that would be with Pittsburgh or Washington, but if it was, fine.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Yes

I'd do it. Kessel for Panrin (except that Kessel is a RW) works. Washington is a bit tougher because I can't see a logical return but if there was one I'do it. Ovie's not playing forever and Backstrom & Oshie aren't spring chickens.

Yesh..Well, you guys are braver than I am.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yesh..Well, you guys are braver than I am.

Cool. I'm considering this a wrap of the Panarin discussion in this thread.

 

[Viqsi]

If that were my priority, I would cheer for Ohio State and Alabama football, Duke basketball, the Golden State Warriors, and the New England Patriots. I don't cheer for any of those teams, because I'm not an *******.

There is more to sports than championships every year. You can celebrate the successes and still want more progress. It's not black and white.

As a Jackets fan and Buckeye football fan, I take some umbrage with this characterization.

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Ironically, I find many OSU fans to expect them to win every game by a landslide and turn belligerent if they don't (my wide included)

Yep. I refuse to get on Buckeye message boards for that same reason. I lose enough sanity with all y'all.

Seriously, expecting to win everything every time is tiresome and boring for me. You're basically setting yourself up to be disappointed - how can you possibly enjoy victory if it's set up to be routine? But G-d forbid I try to suggest that instead of, say, somehow miraculously bringing back Tom Herman.

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So what you're saying is, hypothetically, you'd be okay with sending [any player] to Pittsburgh or Washington?

Depends entirely on what we get. Recall that they would also be having to face whatever they send to us six times every year.

EDIT: removed a particular name from the post quoted to comply with DSL's request in the prior post. It's more of a principle than a particular player thing IMO anyways.

 

[Cowumbus]

Anthony Duclair has more career goals than Alex Wennberg. Who would have thought.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Anthony Duclair has more career goals than Alex Wennberg. Who would have thought.

Someone who realizes one is a sniper and one is a playmaker? Lol

 

[Cowumbus]

Someone who realizes one is a sniper and one is a playmaker? Lol

Just thought Wennberg would have more goals than a dude who a lot of people have already written off or thought of as a “bust.”

My point was that a 3rd rounder has more goals than a first rounder. Also Duclair is a playmaker too, he just can score where AW cannot.

Over their careers Duclair averages 0.762 G/60, Wennberg 0.41 G/60. Duclair averages 1.09 A/60 to Wennbergs 1.5 A/60.
Duclair never had the opportunities Wennberg had in regards to ice time and players to play with.

I’m hoping Duclair plays opposite Anderson and a center who is fast places between them.

 

[major major]

Sometimes I think the Wennberg criticism would go away if he was just relabeled as something else. People would see him for what he is and not for what he isn't. Call him a mid-fielder.

 

[CBJx614]

Just thought Wennberg would have more goals than a dude who a lot of people have already written off or thought of as a “bust.”

My point was that a 3rd rounder has more goals than a first rounder. Also Duclair is a playmaker too, he just can score where AW cannot.

Over their careers Duclair averages 0.762 G/60, Wennberg 0.41 G/60. Duclair averages 1.09 A/60 to Wennbergs 1.5 A/60.
Duclair never had the opportunities Wennberg had in regards to ice time and players to play with.

I’m hoping Duclair plays opposite Anderson and a center who is fast places between them.

He has 4 more goals... Wennberg has almost double his point output..

 

[thebus88]

Sometimes I think the Wennberg criticism would go away if he was just relabeled as something else. People would see him for what he is and not for what he isn't. Call him a mid-fielder.

For what he is?

All in favor of changing his sarcastic/degrading nickname from Wenny -to- Passi, say 'I'...

 

[Maylo]

So, last year Torts was extended on July 31. Is he going into the season "Trotz like" this year?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

So, last year Torts was extended on July 31. Is he going into the season "Trotz like" this year?

I'm all for firing people if they deserve it, but Torts has done nothing to NOT deserve an extension. If the Jackets let him leave, per se, because they didn't want to sign him to a contract I will be very angry with management.

 

[Old Guy]

...... If the Jackets let him leave, per se, because they didn't want to sign him to a contract I will be very angry with management.

2 cents from Old Guy

When Mike Babcock signed a $50 m contract, it changed the game for every other franchise. They had to step back and re-look at their budget and how they value their coaches and how they manage their coaches. For example, no coach was fired during the season last year. That has almost never happened before. Owners will no let GM's have THAT dead money on their books (or at least less of it).

When the Vancouver stipend ended, Jarmo probably went to Tortorella and said something like; "hey I know you are due and raise and I'm going to get you that, but we can't be irresponsible". "What we are really talking about is the 2nd year of your contract anyway. Let's put this off one year. We will tear up your 2nd year contract next year when we re-negotiate a new one". Torts probably replied; "Will I still have enough $$ to feed my dogs?" Jarmo; "Yes, we will make certain there is plenty of dog food". Torts; "Okay"

 

[CBJFan827]

Torts isn't the only one with an expiring contract: Zito, Jarmo, and JD all expire this year too.

That might be part of it.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Sometimes I think the Wennberg criticism would go away if he was just relabeled as something else. People would see him for what he is and not for what he isn't. Call him a mid-fielder.

I'm not a soccer buff so I maybe miss your analogy. Here's the thing that puzzles me about Wennberg. When placed next to Bread, our best scorer, it simply didn't click. Nor has he ever seemed to click at even strength with Cam, our second best scorer. Based on him being considered a good set-up man, I would think the combos would generate better results.

 

[213 Sentinel]

Anthony Duclair has more career goals than Alex Wennberg. Who would have thought.

Me, after this past season.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Torts isn't the only one with an expiring contract: Zito, Jarmo, and JD all expire this year too.

That might be part of it.

Jarmo and Jd are absolutely safe, Torts has to show he won’t mismanage his players , lines , utilization , etc . There is a lot to be learned from the Karlsson, Bjork, and Milano situations , and you need to make sure that you have the right guy that will get the most out of what the game is today.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I'm not a soccer buff so I maybe miss your analogy. Here's the thing that puzzles me about Wennberg. When placed next to Bread, our best scorer, it simply didn't click. Nor has he ever seemed to click at even strength with Cam, our second best scorer. Based on him being considered a good set-up man, I would think the combos would generate better results.

When you really study Wennberg in detail , the majority of his points are secondary assist , which is very troubling for a pass only type player .

 

[Viqsi]

Just thought Wennberg would have more goals

goals goals goals goals goals goals goals
all that matters is goals
assists don't matter
defense doesn't matter
goaltending doesn't matter
it's all about the goals
the goals
goals
goals
goals goals goals goals goals
only the goals
just goals
goals goals goals

This is clearly also why folks want to dump Bob. HE DOESN'T SCORE ENOUGH GOALS.


Honest to ****ing G-d Almighty, people, this is getting seriously absurd. We know he's not a sniper. We have always known he is not a sniper. What. The. Ever-Loving FLIPPING **** is with y'all's puerile obsession with ignoring Wennberg's points and only looking at goals?