Confirmed with Link: Subban wins the Norris!!!!! (per Reality)

[Rhiessan71]

I argued up and down he was the undisputed #1. Subban was already better defensively than Markov ever was, and clutch in the playoffs to boot. He may never read the game at the level Markov reads it at, but his athleticism is OFF THE CHARTS.

This is a player that IMO can play well into his 40s. He is a pure beast.

What!? No dude.
Before Markov went through the back to back knee injuries, he was one of the top positional D-men in the League and a top PKer.
Very akin to Lidstrom in that regard.
Last season, he had trouble adjusting to his loss of speed and found himself out of position. He knew exactly where he needed to be but his body wouldn't let him be there like it would have previously.

So lets not get ahead of ourselves, PK has come a long way on the defensive side of the puck but he still has a tendency to run around too much and he is NOT on the level of a pre-2010 Markov defensively.

 

[Myron Gaines*]

What!? No dude.
Before Markov went through the back to back knee injuries, he was one of the top positional D-men in the League and a top PKer.
Very akin to Lidstrom in that regard.
Last season, he had trouble adjusting to his loss of speed and found himself out of position. He knew exactly where he needed to be but his body wouldn't let him be there like it would have previously.

So lets not get ahead of ourselves, PK has come a long way on the defensive side of the puck but he still has a tendency to run around too much and he is NOT on the level of a pre-2010 Markov.

They're both absolutely different players. Subban relies on his strength, skating and agility while Markov relies on his vision, positional play and his anticipation. I think that's where Subban has room for improvement.

Tough to say who's better when you consider that.

Seriously, Markov was very unlucky to be in his prime while Lidstrom and Chara were. Such an underrated Dman back then and it made me angry listening to analysts on TV referring to him as a PP QB, which he was, but he was also much more than that.