Subban Contract Talk

[CaptainBenn]

Someone should ask PK what his priorities are.

Make as much money as he can?
Or
Win a Stanley Cup?

And if the answer is winning a Stanley Cup, he should read this story about the San Antonio Spurs, champions of the NBA for 2014.


As the Spurs’ Big Three of Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili have gotten older and more established they’ve willingly taken on less, playing fewer minutes and taking smaller salaries. These sacrifices have allowed San Antonio to pay for and develop valuable complementary players like Boris Diaw, Tiago Splitter, and Marco Belinelli. It’s a simple salary-cap calculus: There would be no team ball if Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili weren’t team players when it came to their own contracts.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport..._praising_san_antonio_s_stars_for_taking.html

"The Disease of Less"

I bolded some other parts

 

[Raimu]

So MB lowballing PK is ok because hockey's a business and it was a business decision, but when PK's holding the cards, it's about the drive to win and personal sacrifice and doing right by the team.

"The bridge contract was a smart and savvy move that's only criticized by fanboys"

"Oh? It blew up in MBs face? Well, the only explanation is that PK's selfish!!"

Talk about not wanting to admit you were wrong.

Do you have a doctorate in spin?

Because nobody said that. Not everything is about your obsession with this bridge contract.

 

[Wats]

How much career money had those players made when this was written? Perspective doesn't hurt.

Might hurt the argument though.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Based on your non-answer, I am thinking....

Again, this thread is about what we should've done with PK, not whether or not you should've been a supermodel.

If you want to talk about that, make a new thread. But please... spare us the pics.

Someone should ask PK what his priorities are.

Somebody should've paid PK what he was asking for two years ago. His demands were very reasonable and we would've benefited from it.

In 3 years...

Price and Subban are as good as they'll ever be, ditto with Max. And we should be trying win cups now with them in the lineup. Markov has a year or two left of being effective... now is the time we should be trying to win. We're coming off a year where we might've actually made the finals if Price hadn't have gotten hurt.

In three years some of these guys might have concussions to deal with for all we know. Bottom line talking about three years from now instead of recognizing what we did last time around is speculative and it ignores the fact that we didn't handle things well last time.

Folks keep trying to change the topic and coming up with different scenarios. Bottom line is that we had the opportunity to lock up our best young player long term and we didn't do it. And now we'll pay (literally) for that mistake. Posters can polish the turd all they want... we ****ed up last time.

The question now is... will we **** it up again? Let's hope not. Because if we lose this guy, MB deserves to get his ass fired.

 

[pepperMonkey]

The same thing happened in Miami and the Heat won two titles.

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh all took reduced salaries to ensure they had a very good supporting cast to win a championship.

Its all about priorities though. Cant blame PK one way or the other. It's his right and it's his choice. He's earned it.

Seriously? They have all made monster $$$ before they took reduced salaries. Come back when a star player takes on reduced salary in order to win...BEFORE they have gotten their first big contract. Just one will do. In any sport.

 

[groovejuice]

Again, this thread is about what we should've done with PK, not whether or not you should've been a supermodel.

If you want to talk about that, make a new thread. But please... spare us the pics.

Somebody should've paid PK what he was asking for two years ago. His demands were very reasonable and we would've benefited from it.

Price and Subban are as good as they'll ever be, ditto with Max. And we should be trying win cups now with them in the lineup. Markov has a year or two left of being effective... now is the time we should be trying to win. We're coming off a year where we might've actually made the finals if Price hadn't have gotten hurt.

In three years some of these guys might have concussions to deal with for all we know. Bottom line talking about three years from now instead of recognizing what we did last time around is speculative and it ignores the fact that we didn't handle things well last time.

Folks keep trying to change the topic and coming up with different scenarios. Bottom line is that we had the opportunity to lock up our best young player long term and we didn't do it. And now we'll pay (literally) for that mistake. Posters can polish the turd all they want... we ****ed up last time.

The question now is... will we **** it up again? Let's hope not. Because if we lose this guy, MB deserves to get his ass fired.

Really? You know for a certainty that these players can't improve?

You're smart enough to know that this is a ridiculous statement. They've all hit their peak. Not to mention the supporting cast...

Not your best post.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Really? You know for a certainty that these players can't improve?

You're smart enough to know that this is a ridiculous statement. They've all hit their peak. Not to mention the supporting cast...

Not your best post.

They're in their prime now and we should be trying to win now. Could they improve? Sure. But I don't see how Price can play any better than he did last season. Is Max going to score 50 goals per season three years from now? We could debate that all day but... who cares? It's beside the point.

Bottom line is that we could've had three or four more seasons of Subban at good dough. Instead we ****ed ourselves. Moreover, we did it in an ******* way to boot.

 

[Agnostic]

Again, this thread is about what we should've done with PK, not whether or not you should've been a supermodel.

If you want to talk about that, make a new thread. But please... spare us the pics.

Somebody should've paid PK what he was asking for two years ago. His demands were very reasonable and we would've benefited from it.

Price and Subban are as good as they'll ever be, ditto with Max. And we should be trying win cups now with them in the lineup. Markov has a year or two left of being effective... now is the time we should be trying to win. We're coming off a year where we might've actually made the finals if Price hadn't have gotten hurt.

In three years some of these guys might have concussions to deal with for all we know. Bottom line talking about three years from now instead of recognizing what we did last time around is speculative and it ignores the fact that we didn't handle things well last time.

Folks keep trying to change the topic and coming up with different scenarios. Bottom line is that we had the opportunity to lock up our best young player long term and we didn't do it. And now we'll pay (literally) for that mistake. Posters can polish the turd all they want... we ****ed up last time.

The question now is... will we **** it up again? Let's hope not. Because if we lose this guy, MB deserves to get his ass fired.

This thread is about PK's current contract negotiations, you've hijacked it and made it about your 2 year obsession with discrediting the GM. YOU are off topic 24/7.

 

[Kriss E]

This thread is about PK's current contract negotiations, you've hijacked it and made it about your 2 year obsession with discrediting the GM. YOU are off topic 24/7.

Actually the poster that created the thread talks about PK's previous contract and the possibility of having him signed to a longer deal rather than the bridge one. It's only normal for people to discuss the previous deal. But we all know that you don't like admitting you were wrong. We all know it though, so no biggie.

 

[Kriss E]

But like I said, in 3 years, with his little 5.5 Per...what do you think he's then asking when you already have players making 10M$per and up? Aren,t we then talking about who we have to unload? So today we're talking about his 8.5M$ per when in 3 years, when similar players to him would have 12M$ per...we won't have to do it.

And in the end, Brière wasn't playing. So it's not like we needed him and his 4M$...all this was in the stands. So not sure that keeping the same team was important, as in tons of important moments, you had Moen and his 1.8 sitting, Brière and his 4M$, and Budaj who was not good enough compared to a unexperienced kid. So whether we keep the team intact or not doesn't matter as those parts of the team were not needed.

Yes, but in 3 years, it'll be the end of Bergevin's contract, or so that was the plan 2 years ago.
2 years ago, could you tell me anything at all about what the team would be like in year 5 of Bergevin's tenure? Probably not right? What you could assume though is that Price, Max and PK would be playing some of their best hockey, that Galchenyuk and Gallagher (after 4 years of experience in NHL) would be coming into their own as well, that Bergevin would certainly want to have built a contender by his last contract year too.

Did Bergevin know that Briere was going to become available at the time of PK's contract? No.
All we knew was that Bergevin was going to try to make this team better, and no matter what having the foresight of needing as much cap space as possible in the later years of a rebuild is simply logical.
I mean really, it's very simple to understand.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Had no problem with the bridge deal at the time and still don't

Time will tell what it costs us in the long run but it's impossible to say what PKs career path would be if we was given the big money out of the ELC with the extra pressure in a city like Montreal and the 'carrot' loss

Saw 1st hand in Calgary what it did to Phaneuf, went from the next Scott Stevens who would be a perennial Norris winner to a sideshow around town who couldn't be coached and too caught up reading his press clipping and singing Karaoke drunk to ever meet his potential - back then Weber was an afterthought in any conversation about Dion

yup. i've no idea how people are so sure it's wrong when we don't even know what pk will sign for or what team will have.

everybody just looks at that bridge deal in isolation. it's all about the team that's been iced and what future dealings with young players will bring.

there is no way in h#ll you can definitively judge the bridge contract now as being a failure if you actually look at the big picture or at least wait till the g.d. big picture develops.

-PK won the Norris.
-Almost single handedly beat the Bruins (as much as a D man can).
-Don't know how much he wanted then
-Don't know how much he'll sign for now and whether we'll have room for other players we need

If MB can shed some salary and bring in what we need then who really cares if PK ends up getting 8.5 per year over the 'reported' 6 million per year? The cap is going up anyways.

The only real arguments against it are: the alleged 6 million cap hit and the fact that MB played hard ball with PK and 'could've' alienated or ruined PK. Both are allegations and PK got better.

No one knows how those negotiations were handled. You think MB put a gun to PK's head and told him to take the bridge contract because i want to brake you? lol.

So far MB has shown me he's more than capable at his job and is far from an idiot. They're both intelligent people. I'm sure MB gave him reasons why he insisted and PK finally agreed.

 

[FinnHab]

Somebody should've paid PK what he was asking for two years ago. His demands were very reasonable and we would've benefited from it.

What were his demands? Your opinion is based on rumours or fact?

This topic turned really fast to "couple of fanatic PK fan boys versus rest of the fan base"

 

[Winter Eclipse]

Do you have a doctorate in spin?

Because nobody said that. Not everything is about your obsession with this bridge contract.

It's exactly what he said.

 

[Winter Eclipse]

What were his demands? Your opinion is based on rumours or fact?

This topic turned really fast to "couple of fanatic PK fan boys versus rest of the fan base"

Ha, irony at its finest.

And the fanboy language shows how weak your argument is; in fact, the only ones getting overly emotional in this thread seem to be the pro-bridge contract crowd, considering the vast majority of name calling seems to be coming from you/them.

The argument against the bridge contract is rooted in what would've been best for the team, something that, if you actually bothered to read any of the posts from LG, Kriss E, or Andy would be abundantly clear.

Are you actually saying that trading away Gorges to clear cap space for the Subban contract is a GOOD thing for the team and only PK fanboys would think otherwise?

Do you do understand that the "anti-bridge" crowd is AGAINST Subban signing a big contract now? That we're saying that Montreal could've had Subban already under contract at a roughly 5M price tag and not the 7-8-9 million one he's about to get?

What a bizarre world where people advocating that a player could've been paid LESS are accused of being fanboys of that very same player!

 

[FinnHab]

Do you do understand that the "anti-bridge" crowd is AGAINST Subban signing a big contract now? That we're saying that Montreal could've had Subban already under contract at a roughly 5M price tag and not the 7-8-9 million one he's about to get?

What a bizarre world where people advocating that a player could've been paid LESS are accused of being fanboys of that very same player!

Wow what a rant. Lol.

So u know what kind of contract Meehan and Subban were after? And Gorges is traded because Subban? Bold statements.

 

[DAChampion]

Wow what a rant. Lol.

So u know what kind of contract Meehan and Subban were after? And Gorges is traded because Subban? Bold statements.

It was well documented that they were after no more than six million.

 

[Fozz]

What were his demands? Your opinion is based on rumours or fact?

This topic turned really fast to "couple of fanatic PK fan boys versus rest of the fan base"

It's been going on for 2 years. The same posters have basically been copy/pasting the same arguments (most based on assumptions), without any inclination to see the points made by the other side.

 

[Fozz]

Ha, irony at its finest.

And the fanboy language shows how weak your argument is; in fact, the only ones getting overly emotional in this thread seem to be the pro-bridge contract crowd, considering the vast majority of name calling seems to be coming from you/them.

The argument against the bridge contract is rooted in what would've been best for the team, something that, if you actually bothered to read any of the posts from LG, Kriss E, or Andy would be abundantly clear.

Are you actually saying that trading away Gorges to clear cap space for the Subban contract is a GOOD thing for the team and only PK fanboys would think otherwise?

Do you do understand that the "anti-bridge" crowd is AGAINST Subban signing a big contract now? That we're saying that Montreal could've had Subban already under contract at a roughly 5M price tag and not the 7-8-9 million one he's about to get?

What a bizarre world where people advocating that a player could've been paid LESS are accused of being fanboys of that very same player!

How can you not understand that the goal is keep Subban with the team for as long as possible. Giving him that supposed 5M for 5 years contract mean you stand a much greater to lose him as a UFA at the age of 28. I'd much rather have him at $9M for 8 years than at $5M for only another 3 years.

There isn't a single argument made by LG, Kriss E, or Andy that has come remotely close to changing my mind about the bridge deal being a good thing, as most of their points are based on assumptions and hearsay. No one knows what went on during that contract negotiation and, for all we know, it might have been Subban that insisted on the bridge contract (which would have made a lot of sense for him).

 

[417]

The Josh Gorges is being traded because of Subban's bridge deal theory is a pretty good one lol

Woke up laughing this morning

I mean, those against the bridge deal have made some strong arguments...but that one has ruined all the good work you fine gentlemen have all put in lol

 

[Halifaxhab*]

The Josh Gorges is being traded because of Subban's bridge deal theory is a pretty good one lol

Woke up laughing this morning

I mean, those against the bridge deal have made some strong arguments...but that one has ruined all the good work you fine gentlemen have all put in lol

But the bridge deal personifies all the evil in the world. It spends the weekends drowning puppies. The bridge deal must die.

 

[Scintillating10]

Steve Simmons was just on FAN590 saying if he was Leafs GM he would offer Subban 10 million a year. Because Montreal has to match and it will cripple what their arch rival can do.

 

[Fozz]

Steve Simmons was just on FAN590 saying if he was Leafs GM he would offer Subban 10 million a year. Because Montreal has to match and it will cripple what their arch rival can do.

Steve Simmons? Seriously? Besides, can the Leafs afford that?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This thread is about PK's current contract negotiations, you've hijacked it and made it about your 2 year obsession with discrediting the GM. YOU are off topic 24/7.

The OP's very first sentence talks about how he's tired of hearing of posters writing that Subban was lowballed last time and how it might affect things going forward. So YOU are wrong. Again.

Actually the poster that created the thread talks about PK's previous contract and the possibility of having him signed to a longer deal rather than the bridge one. It's only normal for people to discuss the previous deal. But we all know that you don't like admitting you were wrong. We all know it though, so no biggie.

Exactly.

What were his demands? Your opinion is based on rumours or fact?

It was well known and widely reported that they were looking in the ballpark of 5 x 5. Bury your head in the sand if you wish.

Steve Simmons was just on FAN590 saying if he was Leafs GM he would offer Subban 10 million a year. Because Montreal has to match and it will cripple what their arch rival can do.

Only reason they wouldn't do it is because they know that if they do it other teams will do it to them. Won't be surprised if we see a competing offer though.

If an offer comes however, I would expect it to be in the 12 million range. They're going to want to make it painful for us to match. No point in doing 10 mil.

 

[FinnHab]

Steve Simmons was just on FAN590 saying if he was Leafs GM he would offer Subban 10 million a year..

 

[King Niinimaa*]

If they did it, we'd be in the McDavid lottery, with their first pick.