Subban Contract Talk V

[Lebowski]

If $8.5 million is the arbitration number that Meehan is going with, then you can probably get him (and Subban) to settle for $7.5, and you can almost certainly knock it down to $8.

Just sign him for 6 to 8 years (however many Subban will take) at $7.5 to 8 million a year. That's fine for a player of Subban's caliber and value to this team.


Bergevin's arbitration number is honestly a bit insulting to Subban. Anything below 6 is really pushing it, even for an arbitration number. I hope that this is similar to the reported Eller lowball number (prior to Eller signing), and that Bergevin is just engaging in hardball negotiating tactics here. The alternative is scary to think - That Bergevin honestly doesn't think that Subban is worth much more than $5 million and change.

If Subban wants 8.5M for one year, it means he's looking for more than that on a long term contract. Don't expect him signing for less on a contract buying 5-6 years of UFA years...

That, plus the fact 7.5M is very, very low for him considering the market.

 

[Team_Spirit]

1 year deal worth 14M

then sign him for 8x7.6M = 60.8

The real AAV is 8.3 because of the 1 year deal cheat but the cap hit is more friendly at 7.6.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

1 year deal worth 14M

then sign him for 8x7.6M = 60.8

The real AAV is 8.3 because of the 1 year deal cheat but the cap hit is more friendly at 7.6.

Creative thinking, however we only have 11,6M in cap space this year. Other moves would have to be made for that to happen.

 

[ECWHSWI]

1 year deal worth 14M

then sign him for 8x7.6M = 60.8

The real AAV is 8.3 because of the 1 year deal cheat but the cap hit is more friendly at 7.6.

and then he's only a season removed from UFA...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Looks like nothing will be done tonight..

11th hour tomorrow.

 

[JayKing]

No idea how reliable this guy is but if this is true then it's looking really good.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Despite arb numbers, Habs ultimate magic AAV number seems to be bw $6.5M-$7M, whereas PK camp is bw $7.5M-$8M. We shall see where it falls.

 

[ROSSter]

No idea how reliable this guy is but if this is true then it's looking really good.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Despite arb numbers, Habs ultimate magic AAV number seems to be bw $6.5M-$7M, whereas PK camp is bw $7.5M-$8M. We shall see where it falls.

7.25 it is!

 

[Teufelsdreck]

It's almost always the money. Robinson Canoe, the best second bseman in MLB, loved playing in Yankee Stadium, where he was idolized. He received a hefty offer from the Yankees but he didn't get what he demanded. Where is he now? Seattle, with a huge contract. Is Subban really any different? I expect the Habs to sweeten their offer tomorrow. Let's see if he turns it down, in which case we'll start focusing our attention on Beaulieu.

Can anyone imagine the Maple Leafs with Stamkos, Kessel, JVR, and Subban?

 

[Hoople]

No idea how reliable this guy is but if this is true then it's looking really good.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Despite arb numbers, Habs ultimate magic AAV number seems to be bw $6.5M-$7M, whereas PK camp is bw $7.5M-$8M. We shall see where it falls.

Give PK $7.6 in honor of his number and lets get on with other pressing topics that we can only speculate about.

$7.6 million per year AAV for 7.6 years. Fitting.

 

[Fozz]

Looks like nothing will be done tonight..

11th hour tomorrow.

Just as expected, really. If both parties were willing to let it go this far, might as well hang on until the last minute and get a number closer to what you want.

 

[WG]

7.25 it is!

If PK Subban accepts a contract that is basically tip money above Phaneuf's contract then the team should just give PK the "C" and a statue right now.

And if the PK camp figure is 7.5-8M then Bergevin should have impaled himself on a pen rushing to get a contract signed.

I call BS. Bergevin didn't just jettison Gorges' $4M contract so he could offer PK 1.5M more than Andy Greene just got. He knows that Subban is going to require 8-plus (and likely a fairly substantial plus at that).

 

[WeThreeKings]

No idea how reliable this guy is but if this is true then it's looking really good.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Despite arb numbers, Habs ultimate magic AAV number seems to be bw $6.5M-$7M, whereas PK camp is bw $7.5M-$8M. We shall see where it falls.

Eklund reliable.

Click on a random number generator between 7-10 and you'll be just as accurate as this guy,

 

[Kriss E]

No idea how reliable this guy is but if this is true then it's looking really good.

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 1m
Despite arb numbers, Habs ultimate magic AAV number seems to be bw $6.5M-$7M, whereas PK camp is bw $7.5M-$8M. We shall see where it falls.

Anywhere between 6.5 and 7.5M would be awesome. If these are the real numbers, the only reason there would be a hold up is likely the term.

 

[Darth Joker]

If Subban wants 8.5M for one year, it means he's looking for more than that on a long term contract.

It's a number going into arbitration. It's like a number you start a haggling process with, which is generally much different than what you're willing to settle for.

That, plus the fact 7.5M is very, very low for him considering the market.

No, it's not very, very low for him. It's very, very fair. How many defensemen have a cap hit of 7.5 M a year or more?

 

[groovejuice]

It's a number going into arbitration. It's like a number you start a haggling process with, which is generally much different than what you're willing to settle for.




No, it's not very, very low for him. It's very, very fair. How many defensemen have a cap hit of 7.5 M a year or more?

There are D's making $11M to $14M and you're talking about the cap.

It's really naive and small minded not to look at the real picture.

 

[Genesis76]

It's a number going into arbitration. It's like a number you start a haggling process with, which is generally much different than what you're willing to settle for.




No, it's not very, very low for him. It's very, very fair. How many defensemen have a cap hit of 7.5 M a year or more?

Considering the market he said...the UFA market.

If PK was a free agent now teams would give the moon to get him signed (assuming the moon was valued at around 12mils/year)

 

[Darth Joker]

There are D's making $11M to $14M and you're talking about the cap.

It's really naive and small minded not to look at the real picture.

No, it's not naive or small minded at all. The cap number is what matters the most to a GM of a team that spends to the cap.

The Weber and Suter contracts are a product of their time, much like Bobby Holik's deal with the Rangers was a product of its pre-cap era time. Nobody would seriously reference Bobby Holik's contract as any sort of standard in a cap world though.

The best comparables now are with deals that were signed with top DMen since the new cap rules came into place.

 

[GoodKiwi]

No, it's not naive or small minded at all. The cap number is what matters the most to a GM of a team that spends to the cap.

The Weber and Suter contracts are a product of their time, much like Bobby Holik's deal with the Rangers was a product of its pre-cap era time. Nobody would seriously reference Bobby Holik's contract as any sort of standard in a cap world though.

The best comparables now are with deals that were signed with top DMen since the new cap rules came into place.

And which defensemen are those?

 

[macavoy]

And which defensemen are those?

Mike Weaver and Tom Gilbert.

 

[habsfanatics*]

There are D's making $11M to $14M and you're talking about the cap.

It's really naive and small minded not to look at the real picture.

Those back diving deals are hard to put in perspective though. They're no longer allowed and it's more a tool for the team to circumvent the cap than it is a favour to the player. If Weber manages to play out those years at 1 million per year, then it doesn't really matter, if was just offset to circumvent the cap, his average take home is still under 8 million over the course of the deal, he just got more up front.

 

[Genesis76]

Mike Weaver and Tom Gilbert.

you killed me

 

[WG]

And which defensemen are those?

Phaneuf and Letang signed in the low sevens.

So all we do is decide how much better PK is vs those two and go from there. Which is why Subban's salary number starts with an 8 or a 9.

 

[Genesis76]

Phaneuf and Letang signed in the low sevens.

So all we do is decide how much better PK is vs those two and go from there. Which is why Subban's salary number starts with an 8 or a 9.

and ends with 10 or 11

 

[Darth Joker]

And which defensemen are those?

Kris Letang is a fairly obvious name to cite. He was a Norris Torphy finalist the year Subban won it.

Letang is slightly north of $7 million a year.

Doughty is getting $7 million a year, and he was signed under the more flexible cap rules.

 

[JayKing]

And which defensemen are those?

Only one that really fits this situation is Letang. On his 3rd contract, signed a bridge deal (Letang's bridge deal was 4 yrs at 3.5 which is much more than what PK signed for), signed in the current cba. PK is better, younger and healthier than Letang so the starting point should be Letang's 7,25mil per.