Subban Contract Talk V

[GlassesJacketShirt]

PK is about equal to Yandle. PK is worth about 7-7.5. Not more. Great offensively, pretty average at best defensively. Let's face it, the "image" of PK is better than the actual PK. In short, he's overrated. PK was 7th in giveaways last year, and he got torched vs the speedy NYR forwards.

Great defensemen are good both offensively and defensively. PK is in the same category as Yandle and Letang. Karlsson is an exception since he is much better than PK offensively.

Porn film logic be damned, mashed potatoes have spoken truer words than this.

 

[Kriss E]

Well as things have progressed, the more I've come to realize that signing short term is probably what subban wants

I mentioned this possibility right from the start when everybody else were just assuming we were going to lock him up for 8 years. I said it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he took on a shorter term.
I actually even mentioned this as a possibility after the bridge deal when the pro-bridge guys were all saying that the bridge secured PK for longer.

 

[JayKing]

I'm not sure why you guys are all on Kevin Weekes' back. You may not agree with what he's saying but the truth is, he's not even the 1st media related person to have a similar opinion. Hell, Renaud Lavoie had an even stronger negative opinion on the situation yesterday saying that if this goes to arbitration, this might mean the end of Subban in Montreal and the numbers weren't even out yet. There might be something that's happening behind the scenes that we don't know of.

 

[habsfanatics*]

I mentioned this possibility right from the start when everybody else were just assuming we were going to lock him up for 8 years. I said it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he took on a shorter term.
I actually even mentioned this as a possibility after the bridge deal when the pro-bridge guys were all saying that the bridge secured PK for longer.

Think it's highly unlikely unless it's what MB wants, PK wants his term.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I mentioned this possibility right from the start when everybody else were just assuming we were going to lock him up for 8 years. I said it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he took on a shorter term.
I actually even mentioned this as a possibility after the bridge deal when the pro-bridge guys were all saying that the bridge secured PK for longer.

I've also been saying that Subban likely wants a 1 year deal.

All he has to do is get to UFA if that's what he wants.

The caveat to all of this is that the habs presumably want to have their star player for as long as possible for as cheap as possible and that means signing right now for 8 years, front loading as much as the CBA allows.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I'm not sure why you guys are all on Kevin Weekes' back. You may not agree with what he's saying but the truth is, he's not even the 1st media related person to have a similar opinion. Hell, Renaud Lavoie had an even stronger negative opinion on the situation yesterday saying that if this goes to arbitration, this might mean the end of Subban in Montreal and the numbers weren't even out yet. There might be something that's happening behind the scenes that we don't know of.

Weekes gave his opinion. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

Lavoie tried to pass his opinion off as fact.. or as if he had more information than anyone else.. which I can assure you he doesn't.

One gave his opinion and garnered some animosity (Weekes), the other spoke out of his ass (Lavoie).

 

[First Line]

He also added that's why short term is better, meaning they aren't necessarily seeing eye to eye, at least they didn't throughout this process, which is also what those same people said.

Easier. Not better. Meaning if they were to negociate a shorter term if would be resolved by now. They are obviously looking for a longer term so it takes more time.

 

[groovejuice]

Exactly...

Other than the fact a neutral arbitrator ultimately forcing two parties into a deal they each might not like without there being any negotiations going on at all.

Other than that, it's exactly the same thing.

Like I said, it's more complicated. In the case of an arbitrator, perhaps we can go back to a biblical paradigm. Let's just cut PK in half.

Since a sensible and friendly response won't move you, how about... Yes! You're right.

 

[Brainiac]

Anyways, we all know that if this goes to arbitration and a 1 year deal, things will drag on forever until next summer.

 

[Drunk World Order]

I'm calling 7.7 over 7 years!

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Like I said, it's more complicated. In the case of an arbitrator, perhaps we can go back to a biblical paradigm. Let's just cut PK in half.

Since a sensible and friendly response won't move you, how about... Yes! You're right.

Phil Paren't post moved me. It was funny and interesting.

Yours trying to weakly back the joke to further your argument did not move me whatsoever though.

 

[Scintillating10]

So Meehan thinks it's hard to work out a long term deal

That flies in the face of what some posters have said... This is supposed to be easy peasy

Sounds likely be a short term deal. He said revenue has increased 5-6% each year since 2005. Way he was talking how much should Subban be making in 5 years for example. Hard to predict.

 

[Kriss E]

Easier. Not better. Meaning if they were to negociate a shorter term if would be resolved by now. They are obviously looking for a longer term so it takes more time.

Easier could mean better, and I'm sorry, but no, I don't think it takes 8 months (which goes back to the first time we heard they were starting talks, back to Nov-Dec 2013) to lock up a player to a long term deal.

 

[Hoople]

I'm calling 7.7 over 7 years!

Hope you are correct.

 

[First Line]

Sounds likely be a short term deal. He said revenue has increased 5-6% each year since 2005. Way he was talking how much should Subban be making in 5 years for example. Hard to predict.

4 to 6 years is still long term. Wich is what I expect it to be.

 

[Miller Time]

Surprised this was missed (or maybe I missed it?)

Kevin Weekes @KevinWeekes · 7h



Kevin Weekes @KevinWeekes · 7h

He's pretty much right...

Though I'd call it stupid or simply poor decision making/strategy as opposed to despicable... Despicable is the undertones that have followed the kid around since he started playing well enough to attract the spotlight.

 

[habscup*]

We're lucky if its longer than 2 years. With Subban's comments that he's thought of playing in Toronto plus all the embarrassing charades by Therrien during the season and now the lowballing contracts have turned Subban off from MTL. We really have lost him unfortunately.

 

[groovejuice]

Phil Paren't post moved me. It was funny and interesting.

Yours trying to weakly back the joke to further your argument did not move me whatsoever though.

Now you're just being antagonistic.

The truth is that the basic tenets of business, government, sex, politics, war, taxes, law, et al, have been with us for millennia.

That was all I was saying, and you're making a crusade about a simple truth that you chose to misinterpret.

I've enjoyed reading your posts for years, and you're not usually this arbitrarily thick, so I honestly can't imagine why you chose my original post, which is clearly true, to harp on.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Easier. Not better. Meaning if they were to negociate a shorter term if would be resolved by now. They are obviously looking for a longer term so it takes more time.

not at all.

Dont think any GM is interested in risking to see their star player leave in their prime...

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Now you're just being antagonistic.

The truth is that the basic tenets of business, government, sex, politics, war, taxes, law, et al, have been with us for millennia.

That was all I was saying, and you're making a crusade about a simple truth that you chose to misinterpret.

I've enjoyed reading your posts for years, and you're not usually this arbitrarily thick, so I honestly can't imagine why you chose my original post, which is clearly true, to harp on.

I disagreed with the notion that it was a negotiation... by middle eastern bazaar standards or otherwise. It's a process over-held by an arbitrator. Completely different from a negotiation.

But you're right that I was being antagonistic for no reason. My apologies.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We're lucky if its longer than 2 years. With Subban's comments that he's thought of playing in Toronto plus all the embarrassing charades by Therrien during the season and now the lowballing contracts have turned Subban off from MTL. We really have lost him unfortunately.

That was the most politically correct response you could get on the question. Subban has no desire to join the Leafs, lol.

 

[417]

I mentioned this possibility right from the start when everybody else were just assuming we were going to lock him up for 8 years. I said it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he took on a shorter term.
I actually even mentioned this as a possibility after the bridge deal when the pro-bridge guys were all saying that the bridge secured PK for longer.

Indeed you did...

 

[Cole Caulifield]

That was the most politically correct response you could get on the question. Subban has no desire to join the Leafs, lol.

If he wants to win a cup and build up his legacy in one of the biggest hockey market, Montreal is the spot.. not Toronto

 

[groovejuice]

I disagreed with the notion that it was a negotiation... by middle eastern bazaar standards or otherwise. It's a process over-held by an arbitrator. Completely different from a negotiation.

But you're right that I was being antagonistic for no reason. My apologies.

It's okay, and thanks for the apology. It's still a negotiation in the sense that both parties must present a case, but instead of responding to each other, a third party weighs the merits of each presentation.

And regarding Phil's post... I wasn't sure whether he was mocking me or not. I just thought it was a clever and funny post.

Cheers E=CH squared.

 

[Corncob]

We're lucky if its longer than 2 years. With Subban's comments that he's thought of playing in Toronto plus all the embarrassing charades by Therrien during the season and now the lowballing contracts have turned Subban off from MTL. We really have lost him unfortunately.

Subban says that he's considered at some point in his life playing for his hometown club - OMG he wants to join the Leafs. Subban says in literally the same answer how well he has always been treated by the Habs - completely ignored.