Stopping NHL from stopping players

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  1. Everlasting

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    People always complain about the quality of WC. Its inevitable to avoid. But what if IIHF could "gain" more power then NHL and make NHL stop players from to take part of the WC. Like if they stop players from take part of the WC both Canada and USA shoudlt be allowed to participate in WC and the olympics?

    Is something like this realistic and would you like to see it? How should IIHF if so do it?
     
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    All countries have the same situation so it does not matter. Best team wins and it's just so simple as it can be.
     
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    No chance whatsoever of that ever happening.

    The NHL couldn't care less whether Canada and the USA participate in the Olympics. Heck, the NHL isn't even sure if they want to send players to the next Olympics. The NHLPA may want to, but it's certainly not something the NHL will lose sleep over if it doesn't work out.

    The NHL is by far the best league in the world. Unless the financial system in North America collapses completely, the NHL will remain in a position of power. And even if that were to happen, Europe would follow shortly afterwards, so it's not like things would change much.

    Things will stay like they are. The NHL would lose quite a lot of money if they made the season much shorter than it is now, and the IIHF is financing itself through the current system, so they don't have a reason to make changes that benefit North America at the cost of the rest of the world. Nor would it be wise for the IIHF to create a fight with the NHL, as that would hurt hockey as a sport. So even if they gained the upper hand in such a fight they still would lose out in the end.
     
  4. Everlasting

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    Arent USA going bankruptcy soon? And ofc this rule shall apply to all nations. If the players want to be in the WC the teams should have no power stopping them.

    I think NHL might take a big hit i they decide to stop players and USA/Canada cant compete in the Olympics etc. Some players might leave and the quality of the league will drop. After all, its the players life and country, not nhls. But if NHL want to be greedy they should atleast pay a little for it i think.
     
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    Most players favor a paycheck over their country. And the whole notion of this thread is pretty funny given how many players, including Europeans, whose NHL seasons are over turn down the WC.
     
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    I do not agree. The players get paid by their nhl club to do a job and if the club still is in the playoffs u cant go to the iihf wc. Its just that simple! So the NHL isnt stopping the players. Its more like either u do your ****ing job or go to another leauge. Personally i like both the wc and the nhl playoffs and i dnt wanna change a thing. Sry about bad english :P
     
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    The issue of non-participation in the World Championships is one of choice on the part of players, who refuse their countries' invitations in droves. This is not on the NHL. The onus is on players who don't think the World Championships are very important.
     
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    Not players that are still in the playoffs. Players whos nhlseasn has ended.
     
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    This.

    When North American's think of the WC they think: "Oh yeah, that tournament that's on during the playoffs that I don't watch."
     
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    oh then i agree :nod:
     
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    "In droves" having the meaning of about two handful, if even that.

    Apart from that, yes, there are some players who will reject playing for their country if the situation warrants it. Some don't want the risk of injurying themselves, maybe because they are going to be free agents, others are injured, banged up or just too tired after a long season. Some want as much free time with their family as possible, others just don't care. Not every rejection has to do with the players not caring about the tournament.

    The league definately doesn't stop anyone from participating. It's mostly the player's decision, partially decided by the team he plays for.
     
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    How many players turn down an invitation to an Olympic or World Cup team?

    If the tournament was more important, there would be more participation.
     
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    How is the NHL stopping players from going to the WC? Are you suggesting that players currently in the NHL playoffs should leave to play in the WC? If you are, then you are out of your mind.

    These players are all under contract and are obligated to fulfill those contracts. The WC is not in their contract. After their season is over, they have the option to go to the WC if asked, but many turn it down because they are injured, are up for a new contract or just plain don't want to go.

    The NHL has nothing to do with it, other than that the NHL playoffs are going on at the same time, but they aren't about to change their entire schedule to accomodate a tournament hardly anyone in North America cares about.
     
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    Players don't go to the WC because they don't care about a meaningless tournament. Not because the NHL is blocking them.
     
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    NOT players that are in the playoffs but the players whos NHLseason has ended.
     
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    Why would the IIHF punish the hockey federations of Canada and USA, which are separate entities from the NHL, for any perceived transgressions made by individual NHL organizations?
     
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    Becuse NHL is a canadian/american league.
     
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    All of the players who are asked to go by their countries, and who want to go, can go. Those who stay away do so because they decide not to go. The NHL isn't forbidding players from going to the World Championships. It's free will on the part of players.
     
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    You could say the same for the WJC.

    Certain NHL teams didn't let players participate even though those players were in the AHL.
     
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    I like how it is today, wc is mainly for younger players anyway so they can get experience before the olympics.

    1 Slovakia 186.16 cm 92.60 kg 31.08 yrs
    2 Czech Republic 185.16 cm 91.00 kg 28.68 yrs
    3 Finland 183.83 cm 86.39 kg 27.70 yrs
    4 Russia 186.46 cm 91.88 kg 27.67 yrs
    5 Austria 182.64 cm 86.96 kg 27.36 yrs
    6 Switzerland 183.84 cm 87.44 kg 27.32 yrs
    7 Latvia 185.32 cm 87.64 kg 26.64 yrs
    8 France 182.68 cm 84.20 kg 26.08 yrs
    9 Belarus 183.84 cm 85.92 kg 25.96 yrs
    10 Germany 184.52 cm 88.52 kg 25.88 yrs
    11 Norway 184.08 cm 88.60 kg 25.84 yrs
    12 Slovenia 183.17 cm 85.48 kg 25.74 yrs
    13 Sweden 187.00 cm 91.36 kg 25.00 yrs
    14 Denmark 183.26 cm 85.43 kg 24.83 yrs
    15 USA 185.24 cm 90.32 kg 24.52 yrs
    16 Canada 187.17 cm 92.46 kg 23.63 yrs

    If you take a look at the age of the players you can see that the tournament is more important to us euros that usually go with older teams cause they go for gold and dont take development in to consideration when they pick the team.
     
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    Now NHL teams definitely forbid some of their players from going to the WJC. It doesn't happen for the World Championships, though.
     
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    No. Some are being stopped by their club. Like Lundqvist.
     
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    No-Shows: Most players turned down invitations, but some were evidently blocked by their franchise. Linus Omark, Thomas Vanek.

    Never mind. Canada Hockey has no authority over the NHL.
     
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    Linus Omark was assigned to Springfield, then he got hurt. That's a little different than telling him he couldn't go.
     
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    No one was blocked by his franchise from going to the World Championships. Some executives may have made it apparent that they would prefer it if their players did not go, but that's simply advice. Contractually, NHL contracts do not prevent their players from going to these events.

    When Lundqvist says that he couldn't go because of the Rangers, he is making the Rangers out to be the bad guy, when the reality is that he could have gone anyway. Now he might have been dinged up, he might have been tired, and his team might have recommended that he not go because of these factors, because of his workload over the course of seasons. Yet at the end of the day, had he decided to go, he could go. It's still his choice. The NHL contracts do not contain clauses giving the teams the ability to prevent their players from attending the World Championships.

    It's another way of the player refusing to go, but giving an excuse, without alienating the fans back in the homeland. It's politics on the part of the player.
     

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