Stone vs Chiasson

[BankStreetParade]

Come on...



This guy's skills are off the chart.

229 points in his last 137 games in junior.
7 goals 10 points in 6 games at world juniors.
79 points in 91 games in the ahl.
He's moving on to the next level and everything I've seen so far says this guy is going to be a star.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

How long till we start seeing T shirts that say 'Keep calm and Chiasson' around Ottawa? Should we start a pool?

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

Stone and Legwand would be a good combo on the third line if they keep the Zibby line intact as the second line.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I immediately thought Stone now and future but Chiasson has improved tremendously over the summer it seems.

I'll reserve judgement. Stone is more skilled and has higher IQ but Chiasson is faster and more savvy.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Come on...



This guy's skills are off the chart.

229 points in his last 137 games in junior.
7 goals 10 points in 6 games at world juniors.
79 points in 91 games in the ahl.
He's moving on to the next level and everything I've seen so far says this guy is going to be a star.

Hope you are right about Stone being a future star.

However a little balance to the numbers, 123 of the 229 where tallied as an overage player, which generally is discounted to some degree due to strength and maturity factors.

In 23 NHL games he has 4 goals 5 assists, 9 points.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Hope you are right about Stone being a future star.

However a little balance to the numbers, 123 of the 229 where tallied as an overage player, which generally is discounted to some degree due to strength and maturity factors.

In 23 NHL games he has 4 goals 5 assists, 9 points.

You are either mistaken about Stone playing an overage year, or you don't know what overage means in the CHL. Stone played his U20 years in junior only.

9 in 23 is pretty good considering half the games probably come in the bottom 6.

At the end of the day Stone played with Mac and Turris like he belonged making plays at high speeds. That's more telling then point totals at this point.

Not sure about star, but I bet this guys a 60 point threat in any given season.

Injuries are my only worry. Can't afford to be shown down even though I think his skating has become pretty decent.

 

[Sensinitis]

Flip a coin.

 

[Cosmix]

I do not have an opinion because i have not seen Chiasson play. I hope Chiasson is better only because Stone has potential but not achieved enough to date in the NHL to be considered a full-time NHL player.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

You are either mistaken about Stone playing an overage year, or you don't know what overage means in the CHL. Stone played his U20 years in junior only.

9 in 23 is pretty good considering half the games probably come in the bottom 6.

At the end of the day Stone played with Mac and Turris like he belonged making plays at high speeds. That's more telling then point totals at this point.

Not sure about star, but I bet this guys a 60 point threat in any given season.

Injuries are my only worry. Can't afford to be shown down even though I think his skating has become pretty decent.

My apologies for using the wrong term in attempting to make my point.

I appreciate he wasn't 20. but IMO 19 year olds playing against 16 - 18 year olds does provide a significant advantage and their production should take this into account.

I will feel the same way if Lazar is sent back this season and has an even better year than the last one.

IMO Stone had probably been the third best RWer in camp up to the TO game, behind Ryan and Chaisson.

So while I would think Stone is a lock for the 3rd line (though mgmt's decision regarding Lazar could have an effect on the Stone.)

IMO the Sens aren't going to move Ryan off the first line unless they have no interest in resigning him, so whether Stone looked good there or not really means little.

 

[SenzZen]

Chiasson has seemingly hit a wall as the season goes on- typical of NCAA guys. Should be interesting to see if he's addressed that this season.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Chiasson has seemingly hit a wall as the season goes on- typical of NCAA guys. Should be interesting to see if he's addressed that this season.

Chaisson had a significant illness last year, nothing to do with a "wall" of the real or imaginary type.

 

[Micklebot]

My apologies for using the wrong term in attempting to make my point.

I appreciate he wasn't 20. but IMO 19 year olds playing against 16 - 18 year olds does provide a significant advantage and their production should take this into account.

I will feel the same way if Lazar is sent back this season and has an even better year than the last one.

IMO Stone had probably been the third best RWer in camp up to the TO game, behind Ryan and Chaisson.

So while I would think Stone is a lock for the 3rd line (though mgmt's decision regarding Lazar could have an effect on the Stone.)

IMO the Sens aren't going to move Ryan off the first line unless they have no interest in resigning him, so whether Stone looked good there or not really means little.

While I agree with tempering expectations for Stone, for what it's worth, lots of star players play in the CHL as 19 year olds; Getzalf, Perry, Benn, Giroux, and Couture did, just to name a few.

 

[Icelevel]

love these guys

 

[Minister of Offence]

My apologies for using the wrong term in attempting to make my point.

I appreciate he wasn't 20. but IMO 19 year olds playing against 16 - 18 year olds does provide a significant advantage and their production should take this into account.

I will feel the same way if Lazar is sent back this season and has an even better year than the last one.

IMO Stone had probably been the third best RWer in camp up to the TO game, behind Ryan and Chaisson.

So while I would think Stone is a lock for the 3rd line (though mgmt's decision regarding Lazar could have an effect on the Stone.)

IMO the Sens aren't going to move Ryan off the first line unless they have no interest in resigning him, so whether Stone looked good there or not really means little.

My reason in calling that out wasn't just to call out a mistake for the sake of it, it was because most players take that route. Many future stars do not but we know stone as a. 6th rounder will very likely have a less common path

Comparing junior numbers as if they mean much is futile though.

He was a key offensive player among same aged peers at wjc and not justin terms of points. He was a guy that excelled with the puck. He will probably excel with the puck at a certain level in the NHL as well. He's shown clear signs of that


In terms of what it means for mark stone as a prospect it absolutely means something that he can mesh on and make plays with Mac and Turris. It shows he can make high end plays at high speeds with very good players. It's ine of te best ways to evaluate what a player can do. Better than over analyzing his chl numbers

 

[SilverSeven]

The two things that hace really impressed me about Chiasson so far are his speed for his size and his release. I could see him scoring a lot of goals for us.

Stone should be on this team. He should have been on this team last year. His ceiling is quite a bit higher IMO. His skating is a bit concerning. It has been the thing to keep many greatly skilled players out of the NHL. But his vision on the ice seems spectacular.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Stone was over a PPG at 21 in the AHL. I guess in fairness to Chaisson, that was Stone's second pro season. But either way, I think its safe to say that Stone has been a more prolific scorer than Chaisson up to this point.

What Chaisson has going for himself at this point is his willingness to drive to the net, and the fact that he gets up and down the ice very nicely for a big man. Very desirable traits in the NHL, and they can be used anywhere on the roster.

Stone still plays more like a finess player in my opinion. Not nearly physical enough for a guy his size. Its not even really a knock against him, just an observation. Would love to see him get more involved without the puck.

It's almost like you think involvement without the puck is limited to hitting because stone is very active without the puck

 

[Minister of Offence]

The two things that hace really impressed me about Chiasson so far are his speed for his size and his release. I could see him scoring a lot of goals for us.

Stone should be on this team. He should have been on this team last year. His ceiling is quite a bit higher IMO. His skating is a bit concerning. It has been the thing to keep many greatly skilled players out of the NHL. But his vision on the ice seems spectacular.

His skating isn't really a concern anymore . It used to be

 

[aragorn]

Come on...



This guy's skills are off the chart.

229 points in his last 137 games in junior.
7 goals 10 points in 6 games at world juniors.
79 points in 91 games in the ahl.
He's moving on to the next level and everything I've seen so far says this guy is going to be a star.

I agree.

Stone and Legwand would be a good combo on the third line if they keep the Zibby line intact as the second line.

A 3rd line of Greening, Legwand & Stone would be big, defensively responsible with some offensive potential that could challenge the Zibanejad line. I guess that would force PM to play either Hoffman or Condra in Greening's spot on the 4th line with Smith & Neil. I would be surprised if PM put Hoffman & Stone, two rookies on the same line on a permanent basis but along with Legwand would certainly create some scoring chances.

 

[Sensinitis]

Hoffman-Legwand-Stone can be a nice line.

 

[aragorn]

Hoffman-Legwand-Stone can be a nice line.

It can but I don't think the coach wants to have two rookies on the same line. I think he will try it from time to time especially when they are behind but they have to show him that they are defensively responsible. We all know rookies have a tendency to make mistakes but that line has a potential to also be awesome offensively.

 

[Cosmix]

The two things that hace really impressed me about Chiasson so far are his speed for his size and his release. I could see him scoring a lot of goals for us.

Stone should be on this team. He should have been on this team last year. His ceiling is quite a bit higher IMO. His skating is a bit concerning. It has been the thing to keep many greatly skilled players out of the NHL. But his vision on the ice seems spectacular.

"Spectacular" is a superlative word generally used to describe the play of elite players. Stone is not at that level in the NHL. Good or very good might be a more accurate term, and it should be qualified by saying for a new prospective player.

 

[Cosmix]

I agree.


A 3rd line of Greening, Legwand & Stone would be big, defensively responsible with some offensive potential that could challenge the Zibanejad line. I guess that would force PM to play either Hoffman or Condra in Greening's spot on the 4th line with Smith & Neil. I would be surprised if PM put Hoffman & Stone, two rookies on the same line on a permanent basis but along with Legwand would certainly create some scoring chances.

It definitly would be interesting to see. Given Maclean's penchant for shuffling the players, we might see shuffling similar to the spinning wheels of the one-arm bandits in the casinos!

 

[DylanSensFan]

We are always trying to compare players in our system to evaluate them. We evaluate them in order to categorize, in order to simplify in our minds where that player should be in the line up. We never really stop to think about if those players might work well on a line together. Instead we say one is better than the other right now, but the other might be better later. While many think this team is doomed to obscurity for the present future, really it is not. We have a ton of talent that has been drafted or traded for and personally I am excited to have Stone + Chiasson on this team, possibly on the same line. I am excited about this season and a team full of underdogs. I am excited to see Chiasson + Stone possibly on the same PP unit.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

It can but I don't think the coach wants to have two rookies on the same line. I think he will try it from time to time especially when they are behind but they have to show him that they are defensively responsible. We all know rookies have a tendency to make mistakes but that line has a potential to also be awesome offensively.

They're not true rookies though. Both Hoff and Stone have a lot of pro experience now, it's not like they're green and straight out of junior.

 

[aragorn]

They're not true rookies though. Both Hoff and Stone have a lot of pro experience now, it's not like they're green and straight out of junior.

I'll give you pro-experience but NHL experience not so much. And that brings up another point as to why I don't think Lazar will make the team & that is how many young guys do we think the Sens can afford to have on their team? Chiasson is new & young, Stone is a rookie as is Boro & Hoffman, not sure if Ceci is still considered a rookie or Gryba or Wiercioch. There are quite a few young players starting the yr in Ottawa, can they afford to add another in Lazar? I don't think they can & it could be another reason to send him back, we'll see.