Player Discussion: Steven Stamkos - Part 9: 500 Goals & 1,100 Points and counting Edition

[b0lthed]

Sounds like the old Andreychuk role — captain & lower line power play specialist — and $4M sounds about right, not at all disrespectful IMHO. I would offer that to him as a series of one-year deals until he and the team agree it’s time to head upstairs in some kind of team role for life

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

https://media.nhl.com/public/live-updates?date=2024-03-30

Steven Stamkos earned his ninth career 30-goal season. The only active players with as many are Alex Ovechkin (17) and Sidney Crosby (12).

 

[The Gongshow]

Can't wait for him to re-sign

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Stamkos in the Top 30 now

20. Jari Kurri	601 goals
21. Sidney Crosby	590 goals
22. Mark Recchi	577 goals
23. Mike Bossy	573 goals
24. Patrick Marleau	566 goals
25. Joe Nieuwendyk	564 goals
25. Mats Sundin	564 goals
27. Mike Modano	561 goals
28. Guy Lafleur	560 goals
29. Johnny Bucyk	556 goals
30. Steven Stamkos	551 goals

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[Sky04]

Making a good argument lately but would still need to be under 7M.

 

[DFC]

I think there will be offers of 8 and 9 out there.

The tricky thing is he is basically a PP specialist now, but a REALLY good one, and where would we be without the PP? At 5v5, he produces about as much as Cirelli.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Yeah we are the TamPPa Bay Lightning and Stamkos is a big part of that highly effective powerplay.

 

[JTBF81]

6 million should be around the highest JBB should offer. There isn't enough room, realistically, to go any higher and still have a good chance of keeping Duclair and signing enough other low cost players to reach a 22 player roster. Even moving Sheary and replacing him with a ~900k type doesn't really change this. Keeping Stamkos and Duclair for a combined hit in the ~10 range also ends any talk of adding an actual defensive improvement as well.

 

[DFC]

6 million should be around the highest JBB should offer. There isn't enough room, realistically, to go any higher and still have a good chance of keeping Duclair and signing enough other low cost players to reach a 22 player roster. Even moving Sheary and replacing him with a ~900k type doesn't really change this. Keeping Stamkos and Duclair for a combined hit in the ~10 range also ends any talk of adding an actual defensive improvement as well.

I think it might have become Stamkos vs. Duclair now.

One guy APPEARS to be better 5v5, while the other guy is a big part of why our PP is the best in the league.

Without Stamkos, I would expect us to move Point over to the left on the PP, and run it a lot more like Drouin-Hedman-Kucherov. Wasn't based on one-timer threats so much as quick passing and deception, but was also an absolutely lethal PP. That would put either Paul, Cirelli, or Hagel in the bumper spot, if we even used one. Maybe even Duclair?

I like what Duclair brings but who knows if this is a honeymoon period. What I really like is he's made us better 5v5, it seems. He has 9 ESP in 13 games with us, whereas Stamkos has 35 in 74. As good as Stamkos is on the PP, we have to be realistic about what he is 5v5 these days, and it's unlikely to get better.

It's a big decision, IMO. Who knows what Stamkos is asking for.

 

[Sky04]

You either trade Sergachev or don't re-sign Hedman, we can't have both at this point and if you want to compete during the remaining window then the pick is Hedman. That 8.5m is basically Duclair, Dumba and another player.

 

[JTBF81]

I think it might have become Stamkos vs. Duclair now.

One guy APPEARS to be better 5v5, while the other guy is a big part of why our PP is the best in the league.

Without Stamkos, I would expect us to move Point over to the left on the PP, and run it a lot more like Drouin-Hedman-Kucherov. Wasn't based on one-timer threats so much as quick passing and deception, but was also an absolutely lethal PP. That would put either Paul, Cirelli, or Hagel in the bumper spot, if we even used one. Maybe even Duclair?

I like what Duclair brings but who knows if this is a honeymoon period. What I really like is he's made us better 5v5, it seems. He has 9 ESP in 13 games with us, whereas Stamkos has 35 in 74. As good as Stamkos is on the PP, we have to be realistic about what he is 5v5 these days, and it's unlikely to get better.

It's a big decision, IMO. Who knows what Stamkos is asking for.

It's very possible that Stamkos asks for more than Tampa can offer, but then the team still needs to go out and find a F who can slot into the top 6. Maybe someone like Sprong, Arvidsson, Stephenson, Toffoli, Teravainen etc. could ne signed in ufa. They could also spend the money that would've spent on Stamkos on a bigger name dman, but with the left side being set for several years to come it would seem, I would rather see if JBB can work some magic, keep Stamkos and Duclair for 9-9.5 combined, then pay to move Sheary and see what he could get for Perbix. Extend Motte and Chaffee to lower cost contracts, promote Crozier, and then use the remaining 2.5 or so on a better 3RD, such as Chatfield for example, if he makes it to ufa. Keeping what looks like a much more cohesive top 6 together would be great for next season, more so imo then spending another larger amount on a dman, whether that be Hanifin, Pesce, Skjei, Walker, Montour, DeMelo, Roy etc.

 

[Outl4w]

Yeah we are the TamPPa Bay Lightning and Stamkos is a big part of that highly effective powerplay.

TamPPa ltir and TamPpa tax loop hole is the reason for our back back covid cups. We were so close to going for a 3peat bit covid went back to being what it a upper respiratory flu.

 

[Zwui21]

I think it might have become Stamkos vs. Duclair now.

One guy APPEARS to be better 5v5, while the other guy is a big part of why our PP is the best in the league.

Without Stamkos, I would expect us to move Point over to the left on the PP, and run it a lot more like Drouin-Hedman-Kucherov. Wasn't based on one-timer threats so much as quick passing and deception, but was also an absolutely lethal PP. That would put either Paul, Cirelli, or Hagel in the bumper spot, if we even used one. Maybe even Duclair?

I like what Duclair brings but who knows if this is a honeymoon period. What I really like is he's made us better 5v5, it seems. He has 9 ESP in 13 games with us, whereas Stamkos has 35 in 74. As good as Stamkos is on the PP, we have to be realistic about what he is 5v5 these days, and it's unlikely to get better.

It's a big decision, IMO. Who knows what Stamkos is asking for.

Lmao put Hagel on PP1 and he becomes a 90 points player.
And I'm all for it.

 

[DFC]

It's very possible that Stamkos asks for more than Tampa can offer, but then the team still needs to go out and find a F who can slot into the top 6. Maybe someone like Sprong, Arvidsson, Stephenson, Toffoli, Teravainen etc. could ne signed in ufa. They could also spend the money that would've spent on Stamkos on a bigger name dman, but with the left side being set for several years to come it would seem, I would rather see if JBB can work some magic, keep Stamkos and Duclair for 9-9.5 combined, then pay to move Sheary and see what he could get for Perbix. Extend Motte and Chaffee to lower cost contracts, promote Crozier, and then use the remaining 2.5 or so on a better 3RD, such as Chatfield for example, if he makes it to ufa. Keeping what looks like a much more cohesive top 6 together would be great for next season, more so imo then spending another larger amount on a dman, whether that be Hanifin, Pesce, Skjei, Walker, Montour, DeMelo, Roy etc.

The problem is... Is Stamkos a top-six player 5v5? Or, these days, is he scoring 3rd liner who can put up 35-45 PP points?

We know he can produce better with Kucherov -- who can't? But he also now appears to be option #3 on the top line behind Hagel and Duclair.

Maybe he can bounce back next year 5v5, and he could put up numbers in the playoffs this year. But man, he really has been a PP specialist this year. If Cirelli is a 3rd liner, so is Stamkos. Again, not discounting the possibility of a bounce back -- he had decent 5v5 numbers last year, and genuinely excellent numbers the year he topped 100.

 

[OffBy1]

The problem is... Is Stamkos a top-six player 5v5? Or, these days, is he scoring 3rd liner who can put up 35-45 PP points?

We know he can produce better with Kucherov -- who can't? But he also now appears to be option #3 on the top line behind Hagel and Duclair.

Maybe he can bounce back next year 5v5, and he could put up numbers in the playoffs this year. But man, he really has been a PP specialist this year. If Cirelli is a 3rd liner, so is Stamkos. Again, not discounting the possibility of a bounce back -- he had decent 5v5 numbers last year, and genuinely excellent numbers the year he topped 100.

I agree about him now being a PP specialist and even a 5v5 liability with his team worst +/-, currently a -23, on a team that's scored the 6th most goals in the league. I wanted JBB to trade him at the deadline for a younger top six forward prospect. Now as I look at free agent replacements, I'm not seeing a whole lot of great alternatives.

Guentzel looks like the best option to me, will only be 30 next year. but will probably cost too much and want a very contract. Sean Monahan might be a very cost effective option. Toffoli scored 30 this year, but I believe he's only 2 year younger than Stammer, so not a great option. Drouin has actually had a decent season in Colorado, but pass.

Aside from Monahan, with these options I'm thinking we might be better off resigning Stamkos depending on how much he wants and for how long. I'm hoping a 2 year deal at the most, but I imagine he'll want a 3 or 4 year deal. If we have to choose between Stammer and Duclair, I'd lean toward Duclair, but I think he'd have to be at a significantly lower number than Hagel.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

 

[DFC]

Man, i dont know if he's making a case for a retirement contract or for double digits elsewhere. What a finish to the season he's having.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Man, i dont know if he's making a case for a retirement contract or for double digits elsewhere. What a finish to the season he's having.

Why elsewhere? The Lightning aren't paying a 40G scorer?

 

[Flat Ronnie]

If we have to choose between Stammer and Duclair, I'd lean toward Duclair

Lol this is insane.

Dudes gonna score 40G. Goals are goals regardless of PP. So what he puts up a higher % of points on PP at this point in his career. If he walks you not only have to replace 40G, but you run the risk of major attrition on the leagues top PP.

 

[DFC]

Why elsewhere? The Lightning aren't paying a 40G scorer?

Double digits? How?

 

[flying squirrel]

The fact some Lightning fans are saying Duclair over Stamkos is downright insulting to a player who's given everything to himself, franchise, and us fans. Sorry Stamkos, you earned and deserve much better than that! We like Duclair, and hope Lightning can somehow find a way to keep that top-line together, but he's not taking Stamkos place in our house. Stamkos contributes with more than just PP's, but his PP abilities makes him very desirable for many NHL teams. Amazing how other players get excuses to why their +/- numbers aren't good. Whether because goalie play was not what Lightning are use too, Lightning's defense play to start year was horrible, D injuries, etc. But Stamkos doesn't get that same cover and his +/- play is always used against him when +/- is way more than an individuals play. Maybe Lightning do take Stamkos for granted, but maybe it will take some Lightning fans seeing Stamkos burying goals against Lightning on say..... Devils, Detroit, Leafs, or others before some realize what we've had for years. Hope not, but sometimes folks need hot-stove moments to wake-up.

Organization has to figure out how to sign Stamkos and it's insulting they've let him play this whole year unprotected. Shoot, GM didn't even do Stamkos decent enough to talk to him during off-season while handing out long-terms like candy. Luckily Stamkos loves us.... Maybe giving Stamkos less money yearly but guarantee Stamkos retires a Lightning with longer term will do the trick. It's not Stamkos fault our GM has signed bad contracts, or decided to overpay on many contracts right now (At least one million over for many). BriseBois has done well considering Lightning success came at worse possible time: having to deal with worse cap growth any "Cup" winners have ever dealt with (Approx 2 mil over 4 yrs), while window was highest was rotten luck. This forced Lightning's hand with many players, and we get that, but what we don't get. Is our GM's treatment of existing players since McD. BriseBois has shown those existing players, that are tough to sign, no respect while stringing them along. They all deserved better!!! We've been so proud of how Lightning front office has treated players but can't say the same now. Karma can be a B, Lightning are playing with fire. Get it done Lightning.......

Go Lightning !!!!

 

[RussianGuyovich]

about time stamkos stopped crying about contracts and moping around and started trying to help friend + mentor kucherov win the art ross.

 

[The Gongshow]

You'd need someone with a topntier slap shot to replace him on the PP

We'd also need a top 6 forward who can score AT LEAST 30 goals, idc if it's split between PP and 5v5. We need a top 6 C/Winger if they don't re-sign Stamkos.

I agree it needs to e a discount, I'm hoping 6 - 6.5 anything lower is a pipe dream. He'll get bigger offers elsewhere unfortunately, and perhaps he thinks Tampas best cup chances are behind them.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

You'd need someone with a topntier slap shot to replace him on the PP

We'd also need a top 6 forward who can score AT LEAST 30 goals, idc if it's split between PP and 5v5. We need a top 6 C/Winger if they don't re-sign Stamkos.

I agree it needs to e a discount, I'm hoping 6 - 6.5 anything lower is a pipe dream. He'll get bigger offers elsewhere unfortunately, and perhaps he thinks Tampas best cup chances are behind them.

So you want to pay an inflated market price for 1 or 2 replacement forwards, but you only want to pay Stamkos a discounted price?