Jeez, everyone loses their mind as soon as they see some numbers and a worldview that doesn't confirm their own beliefs..
Wow, you've done it. You've really done it. You've proven that right now Emery and bryzgalov are just as good as Mason. Congratulations. Stats from 2011 are so incredibly relevant when judging player ability in the last month of 2014.
If you spent even
3 seconds looking at the table, you would see that Emery is not even close to Mason/Bryzgalov. It's a table
with 6 cells that I went to the trouble of formatting for ease of legibility and you literally could not spend 3 seconds to read it before blurting out your sarcastic opinion.
I appreciate the stats and all but 2011 has nothing to do with today. They were both on completely different teams who played different systems and styles of play.
For those 3 years, both goalies played mostly with Philadelphia! Regardless, the team you play on doesn't really matter over the long run. Luongo played 6 years for a basement dweller in Florida, and 7.5 years for a very strong Vancouver team. The difference in his 5v5 save percentage was worth 11 goals over his entire stay in Vancouver. 11 goal difference in 7.5 years.
Why not just use both of their stats since joining the Flyers
...because both goalies didn't play enough time for regression to matter. Just like 10 flips of a coin isn't enough to predict the next 10 flips, one season isn't enough to predict the next season (hence, most goaltenders see fluctuations in their yearly save percentage, even when the coach/team/system/weather is pretty much identical).
Mason has played in 91 games and see 2,633 shots over that time. Emery had played 39 games and see 1,007 shots. That's a bit more of a sample size than 10 coin flips.
Emery has seen 1000 shots (remember, that's total, not just 5v5, which means it will be influenced by how frequently each goalie was tasked with killing penalties). It takes
~2,500 shots to evaluate a goaltender -- and even that is only with ~85% confidence. Interesting seeing Bryzgalov in that chart too - above Kiprusoff, Price, Quick, Miller, Howard...
Obviously no two shots are the same, but when you have the same guys playing in front of both goalies over a long stretch of games, it's much better than using stats from one guy who played on a dominant Chicago team compared to another who played on a terrible Columbus team.
Emery's save percentage was
better in Philadelphia than Chicago.
Then there's the absolute fact that anyone who watches the Flyers, whether they be Flyers fans or not, can tell you that Ray Emery is not in the same class of goaltender as Steve Mason. The same can be said for Bryz.
I'm not saying Emery is in the same class as Mason. I not only didn't say that, I specifically provided numeric evidence that indicates Emery is probably not as good as Mason. I won't touch the "I can tell who is a better goalie by my eyes", even though the difference between a Vezina nominee and league average goaltending is usually about 12-15 goals over the course of a season..
As for Bryzgalov, I guess we'll agree to disagree and see the results.
