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Lazlo Hollyfeld

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The 18m figure people keep throwing around is such a perfect reflection of the main problem in the world today. People who mindlessly parrot something someone else said without ever checking to see if it's even true. 99.9999999999 percent of the people who have posted this false figure are only doing so because someone else posted this false figure.

What happened in recent years that caused humanity to lose all interest in actual truth? It's pretty disturbing.
If you repeat it enough times, the falsehood becomes fact. Because people would rather spend their time on the internet complaining about something than taking 30 seconds to do some research and see if it's even true.
 

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Please show me evidence that they are $18mil over the cap.
(Pro-tip: you can’t)

Max cap this season $81,500,000
Tampa cap this season $98,840,470
Over cap by $17,340,470

Kucherov $9,500,000
Gaborik $4,875,000
Nilsson $2,600,000
Add players that were moved around

I would consider them to be $9.5 mill over the cap considering only short term LTIR, but it would still be accurate to say they're over by $18 mill
 

Jeune Poulet

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The NHL has been notoriously permissive with certain franchises in the past. Allowing teams with very connected owners and GMs to unethically get out of contracts at no cap penalty, for instance. This is widely known. If you allow teams like that to get out of contracts with bogus reasons, you open the door to more abuse. The Lightning are just the latest in a line of teams to use dirty maneuvers.

From a competitive angle, it makes 100% sense, and that's what fans of those teams will claim. But there are ethical aspects and ramifications to lying about important things such as health issues, and it also creates a dishonest culture of silence within the player, coaching and managing community. Over time, you create a web of people owing favors, scratching each other's back, shutting their mouth about certain things or completely going against their professional code. Look at some of the most powerful franchises, owners and GMs. You'll find that sooner or later it impacts the health and welfare of individuals.

For instance, it's well-known the Blackhawks are an extremely powerful franchise and very involved in league decisions. Notice how many of their players under anchor contracts magically have sudden health issues, unchallenged by the league despite how totally ridiculous the situation gets. It is then no wonder the same franchise is now struck by an extremely ugly sexual scandal that everyone knew about for a decade, including sports psychologists, who are supposed to protect the players. and are trained for this. The team and even league officials are now covering up these issues by refusing to address them or even acknowledge their existence. No surprise when you've let the same team get away with making up a f***ing glove allergy to get rid of a contract!

It's time for this old culture of favors, "referee game management", puppet medical staff that obeys owners and the law of silence to die.
 

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Max cap this season $81,500,000
Tampa cap this season $98,840,470
Over cap by $17,340,470

Kucherov $9,500,000
Gaborik $4,875,000
Nilsson $2,600,000
Add players that were moved around

I would consider them to be $9.5 mill over the cap considering only short term LTIR, but it would still be accurate to say they're over by $18 mill

And if you add salary up that way, how many teams are over the cap? 20?

Are you suggesting LTIR be abolished?
 
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If Tampa is over the salary cap by 18mil why are they being allowed to get away with it? Has this ever happened before?
No such thing as a salary cap in the playoffs, teams could be 50 million over if they chose to be. You only need to be cap compliant for the regular season. It was also reported that the league looked into Kucherov injury so this notion of cap circumvention needs to end, it was just VERY timely

Lightning GM defends Kucherov LTIR move: 'Sometimes the stars align' - Sportsnet.ca
 
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DistantThunderRep

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The NHL has been notoriously permissive with certain franchises in the past. Allowing teams with very connected owners and GMs to unethically get out of contracts at no cap penalty, for instance. This is widely known. If you allow teams like that to get out of contracts with bogus reasons, you open the door to more abuse. The Lightning are just the latest in a line of teams to use dirty maneuvers.

From a competitive angle, it makes 100% sense, and that's what fans of those teams will claim. But there are ethical aspects and ramifications to lying about important things such as health issues, and it also creates a dishonest culture of silence within the player, coaching and managing community. Over time, you create a web of people owing favors, scratching each other's back, shutting their mouth about certain things or completely going against their professional code. Look at some of the most powerful franchises, owners and GMs. You'll find that sooner or later it impacts the health and welfare of individuals.

For instance, it's well-known the Blackhawks are an extremely powerful franchise and very involved in league decisions. Notice how many of their players under anchor contracts magically have sudden health issues, unchallenged by the league despite how totally ridiculous the situation gets. It is then no wonder the same franchise is now struck by an extremely ugly sexual scandal that everyone knew about for a decade, including sports psychologists, who are supposed to protect the players. and are trained for this. The team and even league officials are now covering up these issues by refusing to address them or even acknowledge their existence. No surprise when you've let the same team get away with making up a f***ing glove allergy to get rid of a contract!

It's time for this old culture of favors, "referee game management", puppet medical staff that obeys owners and the law of silence to die.
Are you suggesting that Tampa lied about Kucherov's injury, that he didn't get surgery, and that he was healed in half the time of every single other person who has had said injury and surgery? You are suggesting that every member of the NHL preferably wanted Tampa, the most penalized team in the playoffs and one of the most penalized teams in the season, to win more than markets like New York, Montreal, and Vegas? There is zero advantageous reasoning for the NHL to cahoot for this. On a down year, you'd want this biggest markets for the cup, and you got Tampa, a moderate sized market instead.
 

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Every team could have done what Tampa did. They played within the rules. Owners can change their rules going forward if they so choose.
Neither the PA or the Owners would agree to do it. In fact the owners effectively said No after Chicago did it in 2015, ironically after Yzerman brought it up.
 
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itsJG

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The 18m figure people keep throwing around is such a perfect reflection of the main problem in the world today. People who mindlessly parrot something someone else said without ever checking to see if it's even true. 99.9999999999 percent of the people who have posted this false figure are only doing so because someone else posted this false figure.

What happened in recent years that caused humanity to lose all interest in actual truth? It's pretty disturbing.
People are dumb indeed
 

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The 18m figure people keep throwing around is such a perfect reflection of the main problem in the world today. People who mindlessly parrot something someone else said without ever checking to see if it's even true. 99.9999999999 percent of the people who have posted this false figure are only doing so because someone else posted this false figure.

What happened in recent years that caused humanity to lose all interest in actual truth? It's pretty disturbing.

Wow, 99.9999999999 percent, eh? Are there really 100 trillion people posting the "false figure?"

Glass houses; that's the main problem in the world today.
 

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And if you add salary up that way, how many teams are over the cap? 20?

Are you suggesting LTIR be abolished?

Are you ok? You seem to be having some difficulty reading
 

Beneven Stanciano

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Wow, 99.9999999999 percent, eh? Are there really 100 trillion people posting the "false figure?"

Glass houses; that's the main problem in the world today.
Do you know how percentages work? You picked a funny thing to single out when that isn't even what the dude said. He didn't say 99.9999999 % of the Earth's population, he said that % of people who post it.
 

Tom Polakis

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Do you know how percentages work? You picked a funny thing to single out when that isn't even what the dude said. He didn't say 99.9999999 % of the Earth's population, he said that % of people who post it.

It has nothing to do with the earth's population. If you're going to use precision out to 12 significant figures, then it ought to mean something; in this case, it's 100 trillion people.

If you're going to decry how dumb people have become with figures, don't post dumb figures yourself.
 
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Cursed Lemon

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Are you suggesting that Tampa lied about Kucherov's injury, that he didn't get surgery, and that he was healed in half the time of every single other person who has had said injury and surgery?

Are you suggesting that Kucherov's recovery just happened to perfectly coincide with the VERY 1st game of the playoffs, conveniently allowing TBL to avoid that pesky cap thing? Not the game before, not the game after, but the VERY...1st game?
 

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...it's a bullshyte excuse for people to be butthurt with the Lightning, that's all...they are doing NOTHING wrong and teams have been doing it for years...the end...
 
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DistantThunderRep

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Are you suggesting that Kucherov's recovery just happened to perfectly coincide with the VERY 1st game of the playoffs, conveniently allowing TBL to avoid that pesky cap thing? Not the game before, not the game after, but the VERY...1st game?
Here's a thought...he wasn't healed. His hip is still not 100% and you can see it in his play. What you imply is that Kuch is Wolverine and has healing factor greater than everyone else.

Seguin had the same injury, he came back early with 3 games left because Dallas was still in the hunt for the playoffs. Seguin rushed back because the team needed him. Here's the thing, Seguin wasn't healed up but had the same surgery that Kucherov had 2 months earlier than Kucherov.

No one denies it was lucky as hell, but nothing nefarious was done by the PA, the League, The voodoo doctors, ancient aliens, and Kucherov. This wouldn't happen with a full 82 game season, and people need to realize that Kucherov didn't come back 100% and he came back early because it's the playoffs.
 

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With Montreal being something like $10M under it's gonna make for a great David and Goliath story haha
 

Cursed Lemon

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Here's a thought...he wasn't healed. His hip is still not 100% and you can see it in his play. What you imply is that Kuch is Wolverine and has healing factor greater than everyone else.

Seguin had the same injury, he came back early with 3 games left because Dallas was still in the hunt for the playoffs. Seguin rushed back because the team needed him. Here's the thing, Seguin wasn't healed up but had the same surgery that Kucherov had 2 months earlier than Kucherov.

lol so why did they play him game-1 of the playoffs if it's risky to his health

They played an entire post-season without Stamkos and won a Cup
 

theimmortal1

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Are you suggesting that Kucherov's recovery just happened to perfectly coincide with the VERY 1st game of the playoffs, conveniently allowing TBL to avoid that pesky cap thing? Not the game before, not the game after, but the VERY...1st game?

Players play in the playoffs while injured. Kucherov played G7 with broken ribs. He obviously would have sat in the regular season.

You can’t possibly be comparing the last game of the regular season for a clinched team versus playoff games.

And even if he came back with 5 games left the Bolts would have been fine since Stamkos was injured
 

theimmortal1

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lol so why did they play him game-1 of the playoffs if it's risky to his health

They played an entire post-season without Stamkos and won a Cup

Tolerance for injury is much higher in the postseason. Players play far more injured the later you go in the playoffs.
 
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