Speculation: So Who Should Stay And Who Should Go From The Current Roster?

[Koto]

Regardless of how Yak played, Hemsky's tenure was over the season started. I'm starting to think Tambo just freaked out last year and had to sign him to a 2 year deal because no one wanted him. Probably was also afraid he'd walk away and get nothing.

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really?


yeah tambo sucked, but that signing was a steal, didn't need the cap space, got to hold on to him, and yes losing him for nothing would be very bad.

 

[frag2]

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really?


yeah tambo sucked, but that signing was a steal, didn't need the cap space, got to hold on to him, and yes losing him for nothing would be very bad.

Steal?

I guess if you wanna compare to what the open [and flawed] UFA market wouldve given him, sure.

5M for an indifferent player, not worth it but I guess had to "get something" for him, even if that something is a "top 6 roster spot"

 

[Koto]

Steal?

I guess if you wanna compare to what the open [and flawed] UFA market wouldve given him, sure.

5M for an indifferent player, not worth it but I guess had to "get something" for him, even if that something is a "top 6 roster spot"

that is the only appropriate comparison.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Hemsky should have been signed to around 3.8m, signing him to 5m was ridiculous because it has probably made him near impossible to move.

 

[Koto]

Hemsky should have been signed to around 3.8m, signing him to 5m was ridiculous because it has probably made him near impossible to move.

for 5 years it would have been ridiculous, for 2 it was a no brainer.



there was no way he was going to get less than 4.5x5 as a FA, the 2 year deal was good for us.


maybe we can extend him in the future at under 4M now that he is older and his value has been consistently reduced.

 

[frag2]

for 5 years it would have been ridiculous, for 2 it was a no brainer.



there was no way he was going to get less than 4.5x5 as a FA, the 2 year deal was good for us.


maybe we can extend him in the future at under 4M now that he is older and his value has been consistently reduced.

4M is overpay. In that case, what does Gagner get, 6?

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

for 5 years it would have been ridiculous, for 2 it was a no brainer.



there was no way he was going to get less than 4.5x5 as a FA, the 2 year deal was good for us.


maybe we can extend him in the future at under 4M now that he is older and his value has been consistently reduced.

How would he get 4.5 on the open market? Who the hell in their mind would think that is a risk worth taking? If it was, good on them. The guy had not played a full season in nearly 3 years. He wasn't worth remotely close to 5. Now he is nearly impossible to move thanks to another, would ya know it, injury.

Garbage signing. Just like Smyth.

 

[Koto]

How would he get 4.5 on the open market? Who the hell in their mind would think that is a risk worth taking? If it was, good on them. The guy had not played a full season in nearly 3 years. He wasn't worth remotely close to 5. Now he is nearly impossible to move thanks to another, would ya know it, injury.

Garbage signing. Just like Smyth.

Ville Leino, Connelly and Grabovski come to mind pretty quickly. How do people not understand? 25-29 year old UFA's with the smallest history of production get paid.


On the defensive side: Wideman, Carle, Wiznewski.


And then the LOL Deals:

Drury, Gomez, Horcoff.


Hemsky's deal was a good signing, and has done nothing to hurt the team on the books or on the ice (unless you would prefer to have eager/jones/smyth playing some more minutes in his spot).

 

[Koto]

4M is overpay. In that case, what does Gagner get, 6?

i said under 4M.

 

[belair]

Hemsky should have been signed to around 3.8m, signing him to 5m was ridiculous because it has probably made him near impossible to move.

The one thing that has to be made clear is that no healthy 20-something NHL player has taken a paycut to stay with the same franchise. He'd fire his agent if that happened.

Surely he's taken a step back offensively, but allowing him to walk when Tambo had 2 off-seasons to complete a deal would've been even more of a debacle than just signing him to a two year deal.

He's still tradeable on that deal.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

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really?


yeah tambo sucked, but that signing was a steal, didn't need the cap space, got to hold on to him, and yes losing him for nothing would be very bad.

 

[Beerfish]

Gonzos:

Belanger
Hemksy
Jones
Peckham
Potter
Whitney

Gagner should not be gone but will be. (Unless we get a legit 2nd line C to replace him.)

Horcoff should be gone but won't.

 

[oilerbear]

It's pretty obvious who needs to go... Starting with Belanger and Whitney.

Smyth is done in hockey
Hemsky is done with the Oilers


Next season it's time for Hall/RNH/Eberle to start playing 20-21 minutes a night. That's what star players play in this league.

The dumbest thing a team can do is to play a player just to get them minutes.

THEY BETTER BE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
If you are going to dump players
give us equal minutes and results
real players to replace them.


Player league rank by Position:
PK: 5.98 GA/60 league average.
Gagner 1.60 TOI 3.13 GA/60 #3C
Smyth 2.50 TOI 3.58 GA/60 #7W #4LW
Smithson 2.15 TOI 3.72 GA/60 #8C
Horcoff 2.46 TOI 4.72 Ga/60 #23C

PP:
5.98 GF/60 Average
3.68 P/60 Average

Front Net:
Horcoff 2.47 TOI 8.61GF/60 #13C 3.13P/60 #59C
Hartikainen 2.00 TOI 7.82 GF/60 #33EW 3.91P/60 #49W

Non front net:
Hemsky 2.42 TOI 10.43GF/60 #6W 5.87P/60 #12W
RNH 2.75 TOI 9.27GF/60 #11C 4.91 P/60 #26C
Hall 3.02 TOI 7.07 GF/60 #39W 5.74 P/60 #15W
Eberle 2.89 TOI 6.92GF/60 #42W 3.46 p/60 #60W
Gagner 2.64TOI 6.63 GF/60 #39C 6.15 P/60 #9C
Yakupov 2.38 TOI 6.30 FG/60 #xxW 4.20 p/60 #39W

Name replacements.

We want to get better.

 

[Draiskull]

Hemsky should have been signed to around 3.8m, signing him to 5m was ridiculous because it has probably made him near impossible to move.

Hemsky wasnt going to take 3.8M on a 2 yr deal .. He wouldve gotten a lot more in the open market.. We need some sheltering for the kids especially Yakupov and Hemmer provided just that...

Getting Hemsky to agree on a 2 yr deal could be consider the steal part.. not the dollar amount.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Hemsky wasnt going to take 3.8M on a 2 yr deal .. He wouldve gotten a lot more in the open market.. We need some sheltering for the kids especially Yakupov and Hemmer provided just that...

Getting Hemsky to agree on a 2 yr deal could be consider the steal part.. not the dollar amount.

Well maybe hindsight is 20/20 but they should have found a way (maybe tambo was incapable) of using the 5 million in a better fashion. Fill out D depth or bottom 6. There were areas of improvement that 5 million could have addressed better. Smyth was the same. That was 7.25 million that could have been used in a much better fashion.

It isn't a Hemsky issue to me, it is a management issue.

Now in order to trade Hemsky, someone very few already want because of injury history and cost (no thanks to cap reduction), is not going to obtain you very much without retaining a large portion of his contract upwards of 2m.

 

[Timo]

Based on MacT's presser and other common knowledge, this is what I see happening;

Keepers
Hall-Nuge-Ebs
xxx-Gags-Yak
xxx-xxx-xxx
Smyth-xxx-xxx

Klefa-Schultz
Smid-Petry
xxx-xxx

Dubnyk
xxx

Brown
xxx

Gone
Paajarvi
Horcoff
Hemsky
Jones
Petrell
Belanger
Smithson
Whitney
N. Schultz
Fistric
Peckham
Potter
Khabibulin

My bold prediction is that Paajarvi will be part of a bold move for a more physical forward in the top six.

 

[Seedling]

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really?


yeah tambo sucked, but that signing was a steal, didn't need the cap space, got to hold on to him, and yes losing him for nothing would be very bad.

You must love the Grabovski deal too.

 

[CorpseFX]

Hemsky should have been signed to around 3.8m, signing him to 5m was ridiculous because it has probably made him near impossible to move.

meh. the cap will be $64,300,000. that's only 7% of a cap team. get him in the eastern conference where the goal scoring - by eyeball - seems to be a little higher, he might have a little more success with his "open" game.

 

[Draiskull]

Well maybe hindsight is 20/20 but they should have found a way (maybe tambo was incapable) of using the 5 million in a better fashion. Fill out D depth or bottom 6. There were areas of improvement that 5 million could have addressed better. Smyth was the same. That was 7.25 million that could have been used in a much better fashion.

It isn't a Hemsky issue to me, it is a management issue.

Now in order to trade Hemsky, someone very few already want because of injury history and cost (no thanks to cap reduction), is not going to obtain you very much without retaining a large portion of his contract upwards of 2m.

You do realize that we never got anywhere close to cap ceiling and even if we gave Hemsky 10M \ season we wouldve had plenty of capspace to make 'things better' if we wanted to.

Hemmer played good overseas during lockout and was one of our better forwards before he fractured his ankle .. The guy played 12 games on a broken foot.

He doesnt deserve 5M but he would have gotten a much longer deal had he tested the market.

 

[Draiskull]

You must love the Grabovski deal too.

yes because Hemsky signed a 5 yr deal like Grabo

 

[Seedling]

yes because Hemsky signed a 5 yr deal like Grabo

Same player same dollars, different term. Both not bargains.