Post-Game Talk: Skinner and McDavid, that is all you need to know

[Fourier]

Possibly but you can't predict the other moves we would have made. Eichel, Chabot and Barzal worse than one McDavid? That is a lot of depth right there. We would not have gotten Lucic if we never got McDavid. Our GMs were forced by fans to make moves for the sake of making them.

Don't forget we had Matt Benning, Caggiula, Brandon Davidson, Mark Fayne, khaira, and osterle 2 years into McDavid tenure. It was so sad we made moves for fayne, Larsson, Reinhart and whatever other garbage.

The move for Larsson would never have happened if we kept the 2 picks in 2015. JP might not have been our pick as we could have tanked for Matthews.

So our current roster right now could be this

Hall Matthews Hyman
Kane Eichel Draisaitl
Barzal-RNH-Eberle

Nurse-ceci
Chabot-Bouchard
Ekholm-Broberg

Barzal on the third line FFS. Imagine that.

You do realize that that team has a cap hit of $95M on 14 contracts.

Let's be honest here' You are doubling down on a fantasy.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Possibly but you can't predict the other moves we would have made. Eichel, Chabot and Barzal worse than one McDavid? That is a lot of depth right there. We would not have gotten Lucic if we never got McDavid. Our GMs were forced by fans to make moves for the sake of making them.

Don't forget we had Matt Benning, Caggiula, Brandon Davidson, Mark Fayne, khaira, and osterle 2 years into McDavid tenure. It was so sad we made moves for fayne, Larsson, Reinhart and whatever other garbage.

The move for Larsson would never have happened if we kept the 2 picks in 2015. JP might not have been our pick as we could have tanked for Matthews.

So our current roster right now could be this

Hall Matthews Hyman
Kane Eichel Draisaitl
Barzal-RNH-Eberle

Nurse-ceci
Chabot-Bouchard
Ekholm-Broberg

Barzal on the third line FFS. Imagine that.

lol what kind of magic land bs is this?

 

[Jamin]

In a 3-2 game, missing multiple wide-open nets could be the difference between winning and losing and we were fortunate that wasn't the case in this game. Yamamoto does this way too often, which makes his usage in the top 6 problematic. I'd put Foegele in his spot as Foegele seems to have excellent chemistry with Draisaitl not to mention Nuge on that line. Yamamoto's forechecking and lack of hands makes him more suitable for the third line.

Also sometimes missing those wide open chances gives the other team momentum or can even sap it away from Oilers

 

[K1984]

Full props to Ken for signing Skinner to a 3 year 2.6 Million contract.

It is a godsend. Makes the Campbell f*** up more palatable even though it is extremely odious.

If Campbell can just play like a bare average (or even slightly below average) NHL goalie for the next three years we can carry him and turn an 8 year buyout into a 2 year buyout. Or maybe even a trade if he happens to find a way to not be a joke over the next three years.

 

[Oilers in NS]

Why on earth would you take out Yamamoto? Man some of you guys are blind on here. Take him out because he was offside, too small and couldn't convert on some chances? Lmfao

Soooo
R ya joking here or r ya serious?

 

[ujju2]

Would probably switch Foegele and Janmark here.

Yeah, I was debating that myself. Decided that putting Janmark-Kostin back together was the move, and Foegele would add some physicality and speed to that Bjugstad-Ryan line. could definitely go either way though.

 

[Raab]

It is a godsend. Makes the Campbell f*** up more palatable even though it is extremely odious.

If Campbell can just play like a bare average (or even slightly below average) NHL goalie for the next three years we can carry him and turn an 8 year buyout into a 2 year buyout. Or maybe even a trade if he happens to find a way to not be a joke over the next three years.

We need to win before Draisaitl’s contract is up. The money now in a tight cap environment will be better used than 1.5M 8 years from now with a higher cap.

Ideally Campbell becomes a serviceable goaltender again. I don’t see how a guy goes from Allstar to absolutely horrific in less than a year.

 

[K1984]

We need to win before Draisaitl’s contract is up. The money now in a tight cap environment will be better used than 1.5M 8 years from now with a higher cap.

Ideally Campbell becomes a serviceable goaltender again. I don’t see how a guy goes from Allstar to absolutely horrific in less than a year.

Thing with a Campbell buyout is if he's playing bare average hockey and we buy him out we'll have to pay for the buyout as well as a bare average goalie to replace him. We might save $1M in this scenario assuming a replacement makes $2.5M. There would be two years in there where the total cap hit would be higher.

If Campbell continues on the laugh track he's on this year then it's absolutely worth buying him out. If he recovers to be coherent enough to play ~20 games per year at least somewhat competently then it's best to hold until the end of Skinner's deal.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Possibly but you can't predict the other moves we would have made. Eichel, Chabot and Barzal worse than one McDavid? That is a lot of depth right there. We would not have gotten Lucic if we never got McDavid. Our GMs were forced by fans to make moves for the sake of making them.

Don't forget we had Matt Benning, Caggiula, Brandon Davidson, Mark Fayne, khaira, and osterle 2 years into McDavid tenure. It was so sad we made moves for fayne, Larsson, Reinhart and whatever other garbage.

The move for Larsson would never have happened if we kept the 2 picks in 2015. JP might not have been our pick as we could have tanked for Matthews.

So our current roster right now could be this

Hall Matthews Hyman
Kane Eichel Draisaitl
Barzal-RNH-Eberle

Nurse-ceci
Chabot-Bouchard
Ekholm-Broberg

Barzal on the third line FFS. Imagine that.

Yeah, who needs to follow the salary cap anyways

 

[slaman]

In a 3-2 game, missing multiple wide-open nets could be the difference between winning and losing and we were fortunate that wasn't the case in this game. Yamamoto does this way too often, which makes his usage in the top 6 problematic. I'd put Foegele in his spot as Foegele seems to have excellent chemistry with Draisaitl not to mention Nuge on that line. Yamamoto's forechecking and lack of hands makes him more suitable for the third line.

This is a fair point, especially given Foegele's play recently. I think Yama is really just on the second line because Kane is out. Other than the last month, Foegele struggled to finish as well. I would say Yama is better at creating turnovers as well and gels well with Drai and RNH (despite what others say). I could flip the two, depending on who has the hot stick. Given Yama had an excellent two goal game, it makes sense to keep running that line for another 2-3 games before switching it out.

 

[North]

It is a godsend. Makes the Campbell f*** up more palatable even though it is extremely odious.

If Campbell can just play like a bare average (or even slightly below average) NHL goalie for the next three years we can carry him and turn an 8 year buyout into a 2 year buyout. Or maybe even a trade if he happens to find a way to not be a joke over the next three years.

Someone needs to hire a sports psychologist for Campbell. Maybe that’s what he needs.

 

[soothsayer]

Pretty sure that guy is Todd from Leduc.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Soooo
R ya joking here or r ya serious?

Serious. The guy creates so many chances, creates so many giveaways for the team to take a hold of and is a great forechecker. His finishing ability isn't the greatest though. Is that not an asset?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Thing with a Campbell buyout is if he's playing bare average hockey and we buy him out we'll have to pay for the buyout as well as a bare average goalie to replace him. We might save $1M in this scenario assuming a replacement makes $2.5M. There would be two years in there where the total cap hit would be higher.

If Campbell continues on the laugh track he's on this year then it's absolutely worth buying him out. If he recovers to be coherent enough to play ~20 games per year at least somewhat competently then it's best to hold until the end of Skinner's deal.

We shouldn't play Campbell again until the playoffs are a lock.

 

[Duke74]

Serious. The guy creates so many chances, creates so many giveaways for the team to take a hold of and is a great forechecker. His finishing ability isn't the greatest though. Is that not an asset?

Yamamoto's forechecking may be an asset for the third line, where I think he's best suited. However, his lack of finishing actively hurts the Top 6. He especially doesn't work with Draisaitl, who thrives best with two big, heavy players that can sustain a cycle in the offensive zone. It's an absolute mystery why Woodcroft keeps going back to that duo.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Serious. The guy creates so many chances, creates so many giveaways for the team to take a hold of and is a great forechecker. His finishing ability isn't the greatest though. Is that not an asset?

Word for word what Pulju supporters used to say. You'll never see the irony though lol

 

[Oilhawks]

Word for word what Pulju supporters used to say. You'll never see the irony though lol

It’s also ironic to see Pulju supporters complaining about Yam’s lack of finish (not saying you, just in general). Neither belong(ed) anywhere close to the top 6 for extended periods of time

 

[Forgot About Drai]

It’s also ironic to see Pulju supporters complaining about Yam’s lack of finish (not saying you, just in general). Neither belong(ed) anywhere close to the top 6 for extended periods of time

Ya its crazy. Those players pull out the worst of fans. They are so similarly flawed but supporters will die on their hills.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ya its crazy. Those players pull out the worst of fans. They are so similarly flawed but supporters will die on their hills.

Well, People that wanted Pulju moved got their wish.

I can take or leave either player and prefer to leave both.

We're in a limited window now of competing for cup and we need all players that can adequately perform their roles. Absolutely neither of Pulju or Yama should be in topsix but Pulju was playing a bottomsix role and was hitting, forechecking, banging, and while getting limited minutes here we had to move him. Yama is still glued in topsix and its a huge problem.

It would have been ideal that Holland moved both in order to obtain better topsix option. Indeed when the Ekholm trade was announced I was given the false hope that Yams was included in that deal which would have been great for gaining more capspace.

Pulju is gone. So there is no hill. But for this team to be firing on all cylinders and using capspace most effectively Yama needs to be moved for better asset as well. he's not even remotely a playoff type player either. Yet now we're stuck with him.

its not just the cap either. Its that the player is glued to one of the best pure passers in the world and not cashing much. Its one of the reasons we're often a goal short in games and not at least getting into OT or tying games that we are behind in.

i can't speak for others but for me the frustration of being a Drai fan, an Oilers fans and watching Yama squander chance after chance, be beat off the puck countless times, over several seasons, that adds up and its impossible not to note. Its things like this that separate us from more complete lineups. There was no reason not to move Yams and better players were being shopped.

 

[Heavy Dee]

No. I like Janmark bumped, but realistically, Hyman isn't ever playing on the 4th line, nor should he.

He should be a middle sizer, not top line though.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He should be a middle sizer, not top line though.

What?

 

[Heavy Dee]

Someone needs to hire a sports psychologist for Campbell. Maybe that’s what he needs.

Remember when we thought it was his equipment? Good times

 

[ujju2]

Remember when we thought it was his equipment? Good times

To be fair his rebound issues seem to somewhat have been solved by the equipment change. Unfortunately other holes have opened up in his play since.

 

[North]

Remember when we thought it was his equipment? Good times

He seemed to get his shit together when we let Skinner run with it and left him to figure it out. We should do that again…the let Skinner run with it part.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yamamoto's forechecking may be an asset for the third line, where I think he's best suited. However, his lack of finishing actively hurts the Top 6. He especially doesn't work with Draisaitl, who thrives best with two big, heavy players that can sustain a cycle in the offensive zone. It's an absolute mystery why Woodcroft keeps going back to that duo.

Almost all the puck strips are happening from Nuge and Drai. They are elite at hunting pucks and do it enough on their own. What they could use is a third that can adequately act at least as bumper for puck cycling. Just be a third supporting puck possession. Nuge is working with Drai as the two can throw the puck around like Sedins. Imagine if their third could, or could finish, or anything.