Confirmed with Link: Signed: Vladislav Namestnikov (2X2)

[Shortstuff]

How I see the roster

Mantha-Larkin-Zadina
Bertuzzi-Fabbri-Ryan
Ganger-Filppula-Namestikov
Helm-Glendenning-Erne/Timashov/Smith

edit: Forgot Brome. Unsure where I put him since unsure how good he is


banish Nielsen to the shadow realm

I don’t mind this line up either. Whatever line combos it is it will definitely be more competitive than last year. Which isn’t saying much.

 

[lilidk]

I don't think Ras makes the team this year

But Glendening will

 

[Winger98]

An alright signing. It's not like we have anyone to take IT away from him at that 2C spot, and if we force feed him 17+ minutes a night, maybe he can find some of the promise he showed in Tampa.

 

[Gniwder]

Not enough room if you factor in th kids. Trade coming?

Eventually. Helm, LGD, Gagner, Ryan, and FLip are all TDL bait.

Interestingly, we now have 3 players that can wind up playing 2C, but no real 2C.

I don't think any of the kids aside from Svech gets a roster spot. Even Brome is now questionable, they might just let him play in Sweden all season and sign a contract for next season. Basically agree to delay the experiment for one season due to COVID, because it makes sense for both parties.

 

[DInTheB]

 

[Ricelund]

Cool. They’ll need NHL bodies when they start trading the UFAs (Helm, Glendening, Filppula, Ryan).

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

If Yzerman buys out Abby and Nielsen in the same offseason that's as good as a cup in my mind, buyout cap hit be damned.

 

[WingNut]

There has to be a trade coming right? I actually would mind moving a younger piece like Cholo or even a bigger name for the right package.

I can see LGD moved or Helm as they have had interest from teams in the past.

 

[FabricDetails]

A potential Nielsen buyout? Orly?

 

[Tetsuo]

If Yzerman buys out Abby and Nielsen in the same offseason that's as good as a cup in my mind, buyout cap hit be damned.

A Nielsen buyout barely saves any cap over the next two seasons, but it does save some money and opens up a roster spot? If Bert signs a team friendly deal maybe the Red Wings had Bert file for arbitration deliberately?

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

A Nielsen buyout barely saves any cap over the next two seasons, but it does save some money and opens up a roster spot? If Bert signs a team friendly deal maybe the Red Wings had Bert file for arbitration deliberately?

Perhaps, I don't doubt things like that happen. Bert does have ties with the org and all.
Personally I would just be happy to see a Nielson free roster.

 

[Ricelund]

There has to be a trade coming right? I actually would mind moving a younger piece like Cholo or even a bigger name for the right package.

I can see LGD moved or Helm as they have had interest from teams in the past.

Not necessarily.

They’ll be at 14 forwards and 7 defensemen once the RFAs (Mantha, Bertuzzi, and Timashov) sign.

 

[WaW]

Again, people need to be a bit more patient. This is a great signing, because he's a legit NHL quality middle-six forward who can play on the PP and PK, and he eats a roster spot.

We need NHLers to eat roster spots, because otherwise we're ruining young players by putting them in negative situations instead of properly developing in the minors/europe.

 

[Winger98]

A Nielsen buyout barely saves any cap over the next two seasons, but it does save some money and opens up a roster spot? If Bert signs a team friendly deal maybe the Red Wings had Bert file for arbitration deliberately?

Honestly, I think Staal would be the more likely buyout. Saves us more on the cap this year and next year, while also saving Ilitch ~$2.5m in actual money.

 

[Tetsuo]

Perhaps, I don't doubt things like that happen. Bert does have ties with the org and all.
Personally I would just be happy to see a Nielson free roster.

Same. This is a very puzzling move given that at least some of Timashov, Smith, Pearson and Svechnikov are still likely to make the jump this next season.

 

[HisNoodliness]

A Nielsen buyout barely saves any cap over the next two seasons, but it does save some money and opens up a roster spot? If Bert signs a team friendly deal maybe the Red Wings had Bert file for arbitration deliberately?

At least the extra two cap years are only $666,667. I'd still rather just bury him and not extend his hit at all though. Abdelkader is going to be a $1 mil penalty until '25-26. We should have just buried him

 

[Gniwder]

A Nielsen buyout barely saves any cap over the next two seasons, but it does save some money and opens up a roster spot? If Bert signs a team friendly deal maybe the Red Wings had Bert file for arbitration deliberately?

Yes, you are correct, it saves very little money. Plus the Wings will need warm bodies after the trade deadline. At the same time, Nielsen keeps getting physically abused every time he's on the ice, so it would be the best thing to happen to him. They could just as easily bring the kids over instead.

Buyout details, courtesy of Capfriendly as usual:


Frans Nielsen Buyout Details

Cost Calculations

BUYOUT DATE	BASE SALARY REMAINING	S.BONUS REMAINING	YEARS REMAINING	BUYOUT LENGTH	AGE	BUYOUT RATIO	TOTAL COST	TOTAL SAVINGS	ANNUAL COST
Jun 15, 2020	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	2	4	36	2/3	$2,666,667	$1,333,333	$666,667

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Cap Hit Calculations

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( DET)
2020-21	$2,500,000	$5,250,000	$2,500,000	$666,667	$3,166,667	$1,833,333	$3,416,667
2021-22	$1,500,000	$5,250,000	$1,500,000	$666,667	$2,166,667	$833,333	$4,416,667
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$666,667	$666,667	-$666,667	$666,667
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$666,667	$666,667	-$666,667	$666,667
TOTAL	$4,000,000	$10,500,000	$4,000,000	$2,666,667	$6,666,667	$1,333,333	$9,166,668

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[Tetsuo]

At least the extra two cap years are only $666,667. I'd still rather just bury him and not extend his hit at all though.

I agree, but it's not going to make a huge difference either way, given that we are on the hook for Nielsen regardless.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Same. This is a very puzzling move given that at least some of Timashov, Smith, Pearson and Svechnikov are still likely to make the jump this next season.

Maybe Yzerman does not view them as part of the future?!
Or he wants them playing in the AHL/Overseas getting bigger minutes?!

Can't rule out any trades either, Abby had an A and he got bought out so I don't think Yzerman would hesitate to trade guys like Glenny or Helm.

However it shapes up I do trust Yzerman in his role.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I agree, but it's not going to make a huge difference either way, given that we are on the hook for Nielsen regardless.

But if we just bury him we're only on the hook for this year and next. I want the team free of dead cap ASAP unless we're taking draft picks for it.

 

[Inspiration]

I may be alone on this island, but I think Nielsen is a better player than Filppula. Look at how Filppula got demolished as a 2C last year, compared to what Nielsen did at 2C the year prior.

 

[kliq]

Can’t we just bury Nielsen in the minors?

 

[Gniwder]

You know, Stevie just bought an entire middle 6 line for $1M less than Nielsen's contract:

Gagner- Namestnikov - Ryan
$3.8M

That's gotta be worth more than Helm ($3.85M)...

(I don't expect Gagner and Ryan to play together since they're both right handed)

 

[Tetsuo]

Maybe Yzerman does not view them as part of the future?!
Or he wants them playing in the AHL/Overseas getting bigger minutes?!

Can't rule out any trades either, Abby had an A and he got bought out so I don't think Yzerman would hesitate to trade guys like Glenny or Helm.

However it shapes up I do trust Yzerman in his role.

I mean he has only made good signings this off season. He's getting bargain bin contracts for solid role players, and for no long term commitment either. It would be hard to not like any of these moves individually, or taken together as an indicator for the future direction of the team. I also wouldn't rule out that almost any player on this roster is a trade piece come the TDL. We could retain 50% and get back some nice assets from Cup Contenders.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

I mean he has only made good signings this off season. He's getting bargain bin contracts for solid role players, and for no long term commitment either. It would be hard to not like any of these moves individually, or taken together as an indicator for the future direction of the team. I also wouldn't rule out that almost any player on this roster is a trade piece come the TDL. We could retain 50% and get back some nice assets from Cup Contenders.

I agree 100%.
Also I wonder how our young core feels right now. Larkin, Bert, Mantha, I wonder if they feel better about the upcoming season knowing Yzerman went out and got them help. Does it restore some faith they may have lost due to last season? I think Bert and Manthas contract will be very telling on how they view this org.