Proposal: Should the Sabres be in on Gusev ?

[UnleashRasmus]

Gusev + Eakin for McCabe, Nylander

Throw picks in wherever needed to balance.

I'm fine with this too, because Eakin can at least rove between second and third line center. McCabe can be a replacement player for them and he is what he is. He's solid in a third line capacity and playing minimal stretches at the second line LHD. Not a huge Eakin fan, but he's an upgrade and a minimal term commitment, so I'm all about that while we get the rest of the fat trimmed off.

 

[vcv]

Yes and take Clarkson on if that's what it takes. He only has 1 year left, we have the cap space.

 

[Gordo21]

Some of these proposals are insane.

McCabe alone is overpayment imo

 

[Gordo21]

Nylander swap. Maybe

Still a risk

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Nylander swap. Maybe

Still a risk

That would be awesome if Botts can pull it off. Slot him with Jeff and Jack and profit. Reinhart needs to start carrying the second line. But Gusev should be a big improvement over Nylander as the potential 3rd guy on the top line.

 

[Buffaloed]

Ristolainen to Winnipeg for 1st round pick
Conditional 1st* to Vegas for Gusev and Carrier

Whichever is lower of Sabres/Jets

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Ristolainen to Winnipeg for 1st round pick
Conditional 1st* to Vegas for Gusev and Carrier

Whichever is lower of Sabres/Jets

So you just traded Risto for a guy that never played in the NHL and Will freaking Carrier? LOL

 

[Buffaloed]

So you just traded Risto for a guy that never played in the NHL and Will freaking Carrier? LOL

No I traded him for a 1st round pick.

 

[Dahlin 2 Eichel]

Would love to snatch him up. Would do something around nylander for sure

 

[Gordo21]

Risto trade should be off the table at this point He's more valuable on the team as currently constructed

 

[Buffaloed]

Would love to snatch him up. Would do something around nylander for sure

I don't think Nylander has that kind of value. People have seen what he can and can't do. We could offer a better prospect.

 

[Gordo21]

I don't think Nylander has that kind of value. People have seen what he can and can't do. We could offer a better prospect.

I think you're potentially trading a better player in Nylander when it's all said and done

Gusev is not even a proven nhl commodity, and he's 26 years old .

Not sure what the trade market demand on Gusev actually is right now but assuming it's not crazy, Nylander should be more than enough.

 

[Fjordy]

I think you're potentially trading a better player in Nylander when it's all said and done

Gusev is not even a proven nhl commodity, and he's 26 years old .

Not sure what the trade market demand on Gusev actually is right now but assuming it's not crazy, Nylander should be more than enough.

Gusev is a much better player than Nylander, at least for now. The fact that he did not play in NHL should not be a problem. He will quietly adapt to NHL, and most importantly his hands and IQ will only contribute to this.

 

[Moskau]

I don't think you can acquire him without taking on Clarkson's contract as well. Which is likely the entire hold up. This might be the one trade you can get some value out of Nylander though. Vegas doesn't need to protect him in the Seattle expansion.

 

[Dingo44]

I don't think you can acquire him without taking on Clarkson's contract as well. Which is likely the entire hold up. This might be the one trade you can get some value out of Nylander though. Vegas doesn't need to protect him in the Seattle expansion.

My understanding is that Vegas doesn't need to protect players as they are not part of the expansion draft.

 

[Moskau]

My understanding is that Vegas doesn't need to protect players as they are not part of the expansion draft.

That's my point. Nylander would not be exempt on every other team which greatly diminishes any value he may have. No team is going to pony up much for a disappointing prospect who isn't even exempt from the expansion draft. At least with Vegas there's a chance he does well and they don't potentially lose him for nothing.

 

[Buffaloed]

I think you're potentially trading a better player in Nylander when it's all said and done

Gusev is not even a proven nhl commodity, and he's 26 years old .

Not sure what the trade market demand on Gusev actually is right now but assuming it's not crazy, Nylander should be more than enough.

You might be right about Nylander. He could still could develop. Sometimes I forget he's still only 20.

"Not a proven NHL commodity" doesn't evaluate how he plays the game. He should be evaluated by scouting reports, the same as draft picks. After all, draft picks aren't proven NHL commodities either.

FWIW these guys went directly to the NHL from their European teams and went on to have outstanding careers.
Mark Streit, D 27*
Niklas Backstom, G 28*
Brian Ralfaski, D 25*
*age when started in NHL

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

My lander would be just at the edge of, that hurts, which is why I put nylander. Seems like the right kind of trade both parties would be looking for.

 

[Gordo21]

Would love to snatch him up. Would do something around nylander for sure

I think people saying Nylander isn't enough are way off base. I could be wrong, but Nylander seems like the faster skater of the 2.

I don't even think Gusev plays center in the NHL. Although from the little I saw, it seemed like he could be equally effective on both the right or left side.

I mean, you MAY get better contribution sooner from Gusev, but still a risk you're giving up the better player in Nylander both in the short and long term frankly. Gusev has a lot to prove if you ask me. I saw him skating by virtual pylons in the khl footage I viewed.

Oddly, they actually seem like pretty similar players if you ask me.

The way I see it anyway.

 

[Djp]

Nylander >>>Gusev

Vegas needs to include a 1st

 

[Djp]

I think people saying Nylander isn't enough are way off base. I could be wrong, but Nylander seems like the faster skater of the 2.

I don't even think Gusev plays center in the NHL. Although from the little I saw, it seemed like he could be equally effective on both the right or left side.

I mean, you MAY get better contribution sooner from Gusev, but still a risk you're giving up the better player in Nylander both in the short and long term frankly. Gusev has a lot to prove if you ask me. I saw him skating by virtual pylons in the khl footage I viewed.

Oddly, they actually seem like pretty similar players if you ask me.

The way I see it anyway.

Disagree..the odds on production are the same for Gusev and Znylander next year. Nylander still has %5 yrs of team control after next season making less than the $4M Gusev is wanting.

 

[Gordo21]

Disagree..the odds on production are the same for Gusev and Znylander next year. Nylander still has %5 yrs of team control after next season making less than the $4M Gusev is wanting.

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page

I think Nylander would be MORE than enough That's if they're even interested.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Some of these proposals are insane.

McCabe alone is overpayment imo

I'd rather move McCabe than Nylander. We are loaded at LHD and lacking in skill up front like Nylander. I'm not saying Nylander is a sure bet but I've seen enough of McCabe to prefer moving him if it's in a hockey deal for forward talent, rather than give him a contract extension that hes due.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Nylander >>>Gusev

Vegas needs to include a 1st

What is the value of Nylander right now? Mid to late 2nd round pick? Gusev's should be similar if not higher. I dont think Nylander holds more value than Gusev, maybe the opposite but should be close. Lets hope they are interested in Nylander as the piece coming back. Vegas are kind of thin at C. Maaaybe Asplund+pick works instead as maybe Asplund can be a 4C for them this year. They need cheap center one way or another.

 

[wunderpanda]

take clarktard with gusev, would be easy