Proposal: Should the Sabres be in on Gusev ?

[Snippit]

What? Once before? Check out his statistics, especially in KHL fewer games than in NHL.

Of course I like Gusev because he is a great player and unlike you I have not missed one of his games and I know what kind of player he is.

Sorry I thought I clicked on the Johansson thread

 

[Husko]

What? Once before? Check out his statistics, especially in KHL fewer games than in NHL.

Of course I like Gusev because he is a great player and unlike you I have not missed one of his games and I know what kind of player he is.

Cool snark. I like him too and would love to roll the dice on him. But clearly his “minimum” is a lot closer to “fails to do much of anything in the NHL and flees back to the KHL when he’s scratched/put with bad linemates/sent to the AHL” than it is to 50 points.

 

[Fjordy]

Cool snark. I like him too and would love to roll the dice on him. But clearly his “minimum” is a lot closer to “fails to do much of anything in the NHL and flees back to the KHL when he’s scratched/put with bad linemates/sent to the AHL” than it is to 50 points.

So let's see next season who will be right.

 

[Husko]

So let's see next season who will be right.

I’m not sure you quite grasp what “minimum” means.

 

[joshjull]

I’m not sure you quite grasp what “minimum” means.

Could be a 2nd language thing causing confusion

 

[Husko]

Could be a 2nd language thing causing confusion

Very possible, though I don’t want to assume anything about anyone. Good flag, though.

 

[dotcommunism]

Shipachyov only played three games for Vegas before going back to Russia less than two years ago. It's far from impossible that Gusev could have a similar experience.

That said, when you look at recent players than produced at a similar level to Gusev in the KHL then came over to the NHL, namely Radulov and Dadonov, there's every reason to expect Gusev to be a very productive player if he should stick. Granted, Radulov and Dadonov had both had previous NHL experience.

 

[sandybridge]

Nylander has 6 years of team control vs Gusev
Nylander is 5 yrs younger.

Your valuing of nylander is biased. He was a top 10 pick who enters his 2ELC and you lower is value like that ; facepalm:

Historically you don’t see much of non top 5 picks till 2nd ELC year.

Many feel you start the downside of your career at 26.

What?

So you are saying that guys like Huberdeau, Rackell, Trocheck, Gibson, Landeskog, Scheifele, Klefbom, Brodin, Hamilton, Zibanejad, etc are already on the downside of their career??

 

[Buffaloed]

Average speed. Quick feet and hands. Good on his edges. Good acceleration. Average shot. Superior hockey IQ.

Football Comparable: Devin Singletary

 

[Fjordy]

I’m not sure you quite grasp what “minimum” means.

Well, I think the word "minimum" is quite understandable. This means that I think he will accurately score 50 points, but I expect that he will score more than that. Although of course it depends on whether he will play in top 6 in new team.

 

[Gabrielor]

Average speed. Quick feet and hands. Good on his edges. Good acceleration. Average shot. Superior hockey IQ.

Football Comparable: Devin Singletary

Russian. Insanely puck dominant. Will try any move, even if he's surrounded.

Change the 97 to 61, and we had this player a decade ago

 

[Husko]

Well, I think the word "minimum" is quite understandable. This means that I think he will accurately score 50 points, but I expect that he will score more than that. Although of course it depends on whether he will play in top 6 in new team.

Aye there’s the rub. To me, and I think most, to say his “minimum” means “absolute worst can scenario, floor,” not “I think he will get at least this,” which is what I believe you’re saying. As I said, I think he succeeds to and would love to roll the dice. But there’s a whole lot of possible bad outcomes.

 

[Fjordy]

Aye there’s the rub. To me, and I think most, to say his “minimum” means “absolute worst can scenario, floor,” not “I think he will get at least this,” which is what I believe you’re saying. As I said, I think he succeeds to and would love to roll the dice. But there’s a whole lot of possible bad outcomes.

No, of course, if he gets injured or coach puts him in third link with players like Sobotka, then nothing good will come of it, although he fed Yakupov with pucks last season. I just don’t see why Nikita should fail in NHL, if he plays top 6 and with normal partners, he has everything to play in NHL, hands, IQ, skating, not bad speed, most of our players just don’t have it.

 

[Husko]

No, of course, if he gets injured or coach puts him in third link with players like Sobotka, then nothing good will come of it, although he fed Yakupov with pucks last season. I just don’t see why Nikita should fail in NHL, if he plays top 6 and with normal partners, he has everything to play in NHL, hands, IQ, skating, not bad speed, most of our players just don’t have it.

Sobotka-Gusev-Wilson profit.

 

[Fjordy]

Sobotka-Gusev-Wilson profit.

Ghost of Phil Housley continues to lead the Buffalo.

 

[Baccus]

Does Gusev speak english? It would greatly ease his transition into the NHL wherever he ends up.

Seems like a nice gamble to take depending on cost. Still would prefer somebody proven to play 2/3C if we're moving out more assets.

 

[Buffaloed]

Does Gusev speak english? It would greatly ease his transition into the NHL wherever he ends up.

Seems like a nice gamble to take depending on cost. Still would prefer somebody proven to play 2/3C if we're moving out more assets.

Unless he's a hyperpolyglot he doesn't speak English. I think Sobotka is the only Sabre that speaks Russian. I'd rather give Glotov a roster spot.
I'd make him Olga Khmylev's assignment.
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[Dingo44]

Gusev for Sobotka, Scandella (100% retained)

Is that even possible?

 

[Chainshot]

Gusev for Sobotka, Scandella (100% retained)

Is that even possible?

No only 50% retention is possible.

 

[Dingo44]

No only 50% retention is possible.

Man it would be fun if you could do 100%. Ottawa and Arizona would be real dumping grounds of expensive players no one wants.

Imagine if teams could pay 100% of Lucic's, Okposo's, etc. salaries and ship them off to Ottawa?

The rich teams get guys off their caps even if they have to pay their salaries, and Ottawa gets to the floor with a bunch of bums that doesn't cost the owner a cent.

Probably because cheap poor teams would do this is why they wouldn't.

Down Goes Brown put this team together in January. Ugh. How many games would this team win?

 

[SundherDome]

Man it would be fun if you could do 100%. Ottawa and Arizona would be real dumping grounds of expensive players no one wants.

Imagine if teams could pay 100% of Lucic's, Okposo's, etc. salaries and ship them off to Ottawa?

The rich teams get guys off their caps even if they have to pay their salaries, and Ottawa gets to the floor with a bunch of bums that doesn't cost the owner a cent.

Probably because cheap poor teams would do this is why they wouldn't.

Down Goes Brown put this team together in January. Ugh. How many games would this team win?

I would love Comeau.

 

[Jim Bob]

That is so worth the price IMO.

 

[Chainshot]

That is so worth the price IMO.

Yep. Dealing a 2nd for a shot at someone with potential impact on the Dadonov level seems pretty straight forward. Do it up.

 

[Buffaloed]

That is so worth the price IMO.

It will take more than that or a deal would already be done. The article speculates that McPhee is trying to drum up interest and maybe he would bite if it was top-tier prospect. Also suggests that if McPhee can't get a better offer the best option is to clear cap space by trading Reaves and Holden so they can sign him.
Trade or sign Nikita Gusev? Key factors the Golden Knights...

 

[enthusiast]

I'm guessing that's the offer and not the ask