Should the OHL takes players off the draft list if they commit to NCAA

[three dog night]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

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[NOA]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

The OHL will never do this, and for obvious reasons. They want and need the American talent to truly thrive. Top end American programs and players have closed the gap on Canada in this age range. The OHL need some of these players

The use of NCAA commits by top talent is only going to grow and continue. Especially because more players consider the NCAA. And maybe they are more likely to consider it because they view half the OHL teams as a joke. Why is that? Because the OHL league themselves have not protected their small markets/organizations which now can’t recruit players and are bullied by the top teams. Say what you want with Fantilli (that he claims he would be willing to go anywhere) but would things be different if say another team held the 1st overall pick?

I certainly think it would benefit the entire OHL if they had more balance among franchises but the best they can do is come up with some rules to mitigate the problem

Those rules will still be manipulated though...

The real problem for me is many of these kids though. Yes I know, they are just kids. But they are closer to their NHL draft than they are to grade school. They are borderline young adults, many of which have already traveled or left home for hockey. I understand the development aspect of it but reality is Mitch Marner would have thrived anywhere. And the elite top talents are really the only issue with draft manipulation. All of which are players that could go anywhere and make a difference. In turn, making their team better and leading to more players wanting to join them. Then leading to that organization being more successful. All plays off each other.

Byfield is in the same NHL draft position in Sudbury that he would have been had he played in London..

 

[SYWTom]

The answer is no.
Considering your team just got in shit for violations I’d consider coming out of the high tower you’re throwing stones from.

All teams try to get players to manipulate the draft. It’s part of the draft now. Hope today is a good show!

 

[three dog night]

The answer is no.
Considering your team just got in shit for violations I’d consider coming out of the high tower you’re throwing stones from.

All teams try to get players to manipulate the draft. It’s part of the draft now. Hope today is a good show!

It wasn’t over this

 

[SYWTom]

It wasn’t over this

No it was paying players?!?! Actually not playing players? Which is way worse!

 

[three dog night]

No it was paying players?!?! Actually not playing players? Which is way worse!

It was an educational package no Windsor a few years back did worse.

 

[Generalsupdates]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

No. I want Cole Perfetti, Mitch Marner, Jeremy Bracco, Adam Fantilli, etc. in my league

 

[three dog night]

They can always re enter the draft the following year if they change their minds.

 

[EvenSteven]

They can always re enter the draft the following year if they change their minds.

But we got to see guys like Marner and Perfetti entertain us as 16 year olds.

I’ll take that, thanks!

 

[member 71782]

No.

Teams have to get better at recruiting which means development and a number of other areas have to improve league wide.

You can't claim to be the best league if you're going to exclude some of the best players from the draft which will only lessen the talent level even further.

There's ways to make the league more attractive but the league and each team needs to step up to get that done.

 

[bcspragu]

If that's the case, should OHL teams be required to sign all drafted players and be committed to them for 4 years with no cuts? Why should the teams have all the benefits without any of the risk.

The system is fine as it is.

 

[Voice from the North]

I like what they did with the compensatory picks. It’s not perfect but it’s a lot better then it was. There might be 10 kids a year that try to manipulate the system. Leave it alone

 

[Kingpin794]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

No. That'd be the stupidest thing to do. You'd be handing the USHL a blank check to be the better league.

 

[AttackSound]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

No way will you ever see the NCAA commits be removed from the draft, if they did that then about nearly have the last two opening rounds of the past to season's drafts would disappear if they did that.

Have them commit to NCAA okay but if they want to make it to the next level then sometimes the OHL is the best and sometimes only option that to forward them into the NHL.

These are the best 15-16yo kids eligible for the OHL level, and if they want to excel forward they'll report to training camps.

 

[belair]

No. That'd be the stupidest thing to do. You'd be handing the USHL a blank check to be the better league.

The USHL already has a blank cheque. They can already scoop high end talent without even having to draft them. They offer continued NCAA eligibility. The only downside to the player is that nobody gives a shit about the league.

 

[Loosie]

In the wake of possible manipulation by Kitchener on Fantilli should players who say their going to the NCAA or USHL be taken off the OHL draft list.

I think the events of the day show that the tweet was pure BS.

 

[MatthewsMoustache]

I think the events of the day show that the tweet was pure BS.

I think it’s still too early to tell. they could have a deal in place with Saginaw for a trade and just wanted Fantilli to fall to 17 so that they could hand it off to Saginaw

 

[Loosie]

I think it’s still too early to tell. they could have a deal in place with Saginaw for a trade and just wanted Fantilli to fall to 17 so that they could hand it off to Saginaw

Why spend resources when they could have just selected him with their own pick?

 

[Otto]

No...

And can we finally put an end to this topic?

 

[Kingpin794]

The USHL already has a blank cheque. They can already scoop high end talent without even having to draft them. They offer continued NCAA eligibility. The only downside to the player is that nobody gives a shit about the league.

They don't get to scoop up people for "free". That's not how it works. When they tender a player like has happened with Fantilli, they forfeit their first round pick in the USHL draft. So in a sense, they did draft him.

 

[belair]

They don't get to scoop up people for "free". That's not how it works. When they tender a player like has happened with Fantilli, they forfeit their first round pick in the USHL draft. So in a sense, they did draft him.

They 'drafted' the OHL consensus first overall pick. They were also the best team in their league.

 

[AnonymousHockey]

This is always going to be a very, VERY delicate situation. There’s no answer that doesn’t provide a new form of manipulation.

The real trick, would be to get out from the “professional” classification the NCAA has the CHL under already. Finding a way for the kids to be NCAA eligible while still playing OHL as a 16 year old would allow the talent to enter the OHL and still travel to NCAA as their hearts desire. Would likely still be very good for development, but doesn’t solve the problem of draft manipulation. What it would create is opportunity for a player to get a taste of what they’d be giving up. However, the NCAA ever agreeing on that obviously hurts their product. You’d think something could easily be done since NCAA allows players to earn money on their likeness’ now.

 

[AnonymousHockey]

They don't get to scoop up people for "free". That's not how it works. When they tender a player like has happened with Fantilli, they forfeit their first round pick in the USHL draft. So in a sense, they did draft him.

This is correct. He’s also required to play in 55% of the Chicago’s games this season. Unlike a regularly drafted player, who isn’t required to suit up at all. Fantilli also wasn’t the first render by Chicago so he’s actually taking the place of their Second Round pick. I believe @TribalPhoenix could be the resident USHL book of knowledge around here? He would know better.