Should Provorov or Konency be in Juniors next year?

[Tripod]

I will give you that he has seen more and more time with MDZ at even strenght but even in last night's game there were a number of times when paired with him the Ducks put out their top line and if there was a quick stoppage and faceoff in our zone MDZ stayed on the ice but Ghost was taken off.

THAT shows to me that the coach still wants to "protect" him some (and the team for that matter).

And I have no issue with that. Especially with how the Ducks top line plays...big, heavy players...someone like Gudas is much better built to deal with them.

But as I said...he is not currently a bottom pairing guy getting sheltered. He is a top 4 guy.

But let's be honest, we have a serious lack of talent anyways. We have no top pairing guys and MDZ and Ghost are midpairing guys...the rest are #5-#7 guys.

Next year, I could easily see Provorov matched with Gudas as our 2nd pair if they want to continue with Ghost and MDZ together.

 

[flyershockey]

Provorov is NHL ready right now. It sucks that he's not AHL eligible next year, but it would be a disservice to his development to send him back to the WHL. Bite the bullet and keep him up.

Konecny could make the roster, and they could definitely use the injection of skill, but he's going to need to come into camp and earn it. Jake making the move to LW opens up a spot at RW in the top 9.

 

[Rebels57]

I'd be shocked if Konecny doesn't make the team next season. This team desperately needs an injection of skill in the top 9, and if they aren't planning on adding it in free agency, then TK is the way to go.

 

[Tripod]

Provorov is NHL ready right now. It sucks that he's not AHL eligible next year, but it would be a disservice to his development to send him back to the WHL. Bite the bullet and keep him up.

Konecny could make the roster, and they could definitely use the injection of skill, but he's going to need to come into camp and earn it. Jake making the move to LW opens up a spot at RW in the top 9.

Yeah...I guess we all can assume Jake is now a LW. What a blessing that has been as it fixed part of the LW issue and as you said, opened up a top 9 spot at RW for Konecny.

Now draft that other top 6 LW and we are set. Then Nak and Lindblom fight it out for the other top 9 spot in 2 years. And really, one of them could be replacing Simmonds in 3 years.

We are now getting to the point where we have good depth and actually will have internal replacements for our guys on the roster. Minus the top, top guys of course. That will be much harder to replace. But at least they are all locked in long term.

 

[Broad Street Elite]

You guys keep forgetting that Matthews or Laine will be taking a top 6 spot as well

 

[Hiesenberg]

I ran the lottery simulator a bunch of times this morning, the Flyers picked 13th every time.

 

[Tripod]

You guys keep forgetting that Matthews or Laine will be taking a top 6 spot as well

Oh...have not given up that hope. If we can get into the top 10 and get the LW who can help fairly quickly:

Voracek G Simmonds
XXXX Couts Schenn
Lindblom/NAK Laughton Konecny

We really are set up that in a few years, Konecny pushes guys down and then 1 of Lindblom/NAK actually replaces them. And yes...that is Simmonds or Schenn that will be pushed out.

Nice to have options on the way.

 

[KrazyKat]

If Provorov and Konecny are both on the team next year i'd look to sell on Read + Medvedev + Schultz. I would also be interested in Wingles. He's cheap and could help the 3rd line.

Read + Cousins to SJ for Wingles
Schultz to CHI for 4th 2016
Re-Sign Raffl + White
Also Keep Nuevirth. He's an incredible deal.

Voracek--Giroux--Konecny
Raffl--Couturier--Simmonds
Wingles--Laughton--Schenn
Leier--Bellemare--White

Del Zotto--Gostisbehere
Streit--Provorov
Macdonald--Gudas

At least something like this would be cool.

 

[Tripod]

Expecting Konecny on the 1st line would be a letdown...it won't happen....and doesn't need to.

If he makes it, let him get easier pairings in our 3rd line and #2 PP.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yes but remember Timonen was never big and physical but he didn't get pushed around either. He could play against any forward in the league because he played a great finesse game. This is what Ghost needs to learn how to do. I'm not expecting miracles and expecting him to get it now or anything but this is the only way he'll be able to hold his own against top lines in the defensive zone. He's simply not there yet so it would be foolish to expect him to be able to handle that kind of responsibility

Timonen had a bigger build than Gostisbehere does. He was short but he was compact. Gostisbehere is pretty slender compared to Timonen. Gostisbehere isn't going to be a guy defined by his defensive play. If he can be adequate defensively (which I would say he has been) on top of contributing big time offensively than that's what you're looking for.

I just find it pointless wanting a guy to do something that isn't apart of his game. It's like asking Nick Schultz to be more skilled.

 

[deadhead]

Ghost is supposedly up to 185 lbs, so he's really not much smaller than Kimmo was, I think he's just raw when it comes to positioning and anticipation, missing a year of AHL hockey slowed his development.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Timonen was pushing 200 lbs. Gostisbehere apparently came into camp around 180 lbs.

You don't even really need measurables to tell that Timonen was more thicker by a fair margin than Gostisbehere is now. Timonen was one of those shorter defensemen with a fire hydrant build.

 

[dats81]

Ghost is a more dynamic OD than Timonen with much better shooting technique.

They are not the same player and that's fine. I believe they need to focus on strength more than on weaknesses. We have other prospects like Morin and Provorov who will help to shore up the defense.

 

[Curufinwe]

Kimmo might have only been 10 pounds heavier than Ghost is, but his strength for a smaller dman was legendary. Weight and physical strength aren't the same thing.

 

[klutch]

Kimmo might have only been 10 pounds heavier than Ghost is, but his strength for a smaller dman was legendary. Weight and physical strength aren't the same thing.

I always use the term leverage strong for this. I had a couple friends of mine that were about sticks but yet stronger than myself or others who were obviously bigger than them.

 

[Rebels57]

R.J. Umberger, Sam Gagner, Jordan Weal, Nick Cousins, Ryan White, Chris VandeVelde, Michael Raffl, and Pierre-Edouard Bellemare are all in the lineup tonight.

That answers the question as to whether or not Travis Konecny should be on the Flyers next season.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

if you want to bring in Konecny and Provorov they are going to have their minutes managed, and we will have to be prepared for when and if they both hit that rookie wall and dont produce like we expect.

 

[Curufinwe]

18+ minutes for Provorov and 12+ minutes for Konecny should be manageable in the first seasons.

 

[Tripod]

R.J. Umberger, Sam Gagner, Jordan Weal, Nick Cousins, Ryan White, Chris VandeVelde, Michael Raffl, and Pierre-Edouard Bellemare are all in the lineup tonight.

That answers the question as to whether or not Travis Konecny should be on the Flyers next season.

lol....that is a pretty ugly bottom 8. In fact, quite concievable that in 1.5 years, none of those players are Flyers anymore.

 

[phlocky]

You guys keep forgetting that Matthews or Laine will be taking a top 6 spot as well

Lol, I love the optimizam

 

[bennysflyers16]

R.J. Umberger, Sam Gagner, Jordan Weal, Nick Cousins, Ryan White, Chris VandeVelde, Michael Raffl, and Pierre-Edouard Bellemare are all in the lineup tonight.

That answers the question as to whether or not Travis Konecny should be on the Flyers next season.

To compare our horrible fwd line up tonight, take a look at what the LEafs are rolling with tonight. Could be one of the worst overall rosters in a long time

 

[daynus]

I voted nhl for both.
As we widdle down on garbage contracts we had/have, we are gonna increase cap room and contracts.
Adding ghost has changed the dynamics of the Flyers. Adding provorov and konecny will increase the skill and hockey iq of the big club.
Konecny will need to be 180-185 lbs to handle the grind. He's. Such a gym rat and hard worker I think he can pull it off.

 

[Prongo]

I think Provorov is no doubt a NHL player next year.

Him and Ghost are finally going to give us an injection of youth for our back end we have been craving for years.

Konency is 50/50 but I would lean yes with his performance the second half of the season so far. He is killing it since the trade to Sarnia. He very well might start out on the third or fourth line but as the season progresses I think he will make the leap up to the top 2 lines as injuries occur at some point.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Another year of Juniors would be pointless for Neck.

Damn CHL agreement.

 

[deadhead]

Timonen was pushing 200 lbs. Gostisbehere apparently came into camp around 180 lbs.

You don't even really need measurables to tell that Timonen was more thicker by a fair margin than Gostisbehere is now. Timonen was one of those shorter defensemen with a fire hydrant build.

Kimmo was listed at 5'10 194 lbs, but I can't determine if that was his original weight. The Kimmo we remember was in his 30s, and probably 10 lbs heavier than in his early 20s.

I suspect Ghost ten years from now will be a step or two slower, but more like 190 lbs or so, and the key to an extended career will be replacing some of his flash with the adroit positioning and anticipation that characterized Kimmo's play.

The guy who'll probably remind us of Kimmo will be Provorov, bigger and probably a little faster, but the same style of understated efficiency.