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Should Provorov or Konency be in Juniors next year?

briererocks

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I am in the minority here, but I do not think 19 year old players should be in the NHL unless they are super ready, like McDavid, Crosby, or Ekbland. I think both Provorov and Konency should be in juniors next year.

I think Provorov should go back to juniors and subsequently play half a season in the AHL. If Provorov plays in the NHL next year it could work out. But, a very likely possibility is him coming up and playing well and at some point struggling and losing confidence in himself. Then the following year the question is does he stay up in the NHL or start in the AHL. I would rather take it slow. I think he has benefited greatly by playing juniors this year. His offense is more dynamic and he is becoming more physical. I think having another season in juniors and playing in the WJC will not hurt his development. If he plays in the NHL next year and at some point struggles I think it could harm his development.
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At least a half season in the AHL for each player would be helpful. But the CHL is ****ing stupid soo...
 
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The obvious, common sense, non debatable answer here is IF THEY'RE READY.

It's too early to say yes or no, but based on what we've seen so far it would appear as if both are ready and don't have much to gain from being in junior. Saying "absolutely not, they're too young" by simply looking at age is idiotic. Every player is different and some have nothing to gain from further time in the CHL.

If they continue looking great in junior and show they're ready during training camp then there's no reason to send them back. If they struggle between now and then and there's a question of readiness then send them back.
 

briererocks

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Striiker said:
The obvious, common sense, non debatable answer here is IF THEY'RE READY.

It's too early to say yes or no, but based on what we've seen so far it would appear as if both are ready and don't have much to gain from being in junior. Saying "absolutely not, they're too young" by simply looking at age is idiotic. Every player is different and some have nothing to gain from further time in the CHL.

If they continue looking great in junior and show they're ready during training camp then there's no reason to send them back. If they struggle between now and then and there's a question of readiness then send them back.
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Only Detroit player recently to make the NHL as an under 20 was Larkin. Detroit has been very successful in being patient with their prospects. I think it is a mistake for them to get a taste and then sent down. I think it is healthier for them to play in juniors and spend some time in the AHL.

There is a huge jump in talent between juniors and the AHL and even bigger between juniors and the NHL. It is a hard transition.
 
LegionOfDoom91

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I think the debate is more so geared towards Konecny's side in this. Provorov is more advanced physically & play wise at this stage between the two. The depth chart also favors him more.
 
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Detroit probably doesn't get into the playoffs during the lockout year if Cleary doesn't go down with an injury opening up a spot for Nyquist. Their model isn't exactly flawless as their way has potentially kept them from reaping benefits earlier.

Who knows if Larkin is even in their lineup if Blashill who coached Larkin at the end of last year in the AHL doesn't take over Babcock this year.

If they're good enough, they're good enough. Young players can make an impact in today's game. You don't have to always wait until they're in the mid 20's for that happen.
 
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Using age as a factor really makes no sense, as many have stated in this thread if a guy is ready then he is ready...you don't send guys back to juniors if they'll gain nothing from it
 
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Provorov could've almost started in the NHL this year. I'd deff have him play a good bit in pre-season and then have him start in the lineup at the NHL level next season. Konecny I'd like to see at the AHL level for some time before being brought up.. I think Provorov is most ready of the two. I hope we sign or aquire an upgraded winger to not rush the process of Konecny

Both capable of being at the NHL level next season, just one before the other.
 

briererocks

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klutch said:
Provorov could've almost started in the NHL this year. I'd deff have him play a good bit in pre-season and then have him start in the lineup at the NHL level next season. Konecny I'd like to see at the AHL level for some time before being brought up.. I think Provorov is most ready of the two. I hope we sign or aquire an upgraded winger to not rush the process of Konecny

Both capable of being at the NHL level next season, just one before the other.
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Provorov could have played in the NHL this season but his development has been helped by playing juniors. He is more aggressive offensively and taking more risks. At the NHL level, he would not have risked opening up his game like that.
 
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briererocks said:
Provorov could have played in the NHL this season but his development has been helped by playing juniors. He is more aggressive offensively and taking more risks. At the NHL level, he would not have risked opening up his game like that.
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Yeah agreed, I wouldn't have started him this season but he had the talent to if needed be. Next season should be a definite IMO.
 
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briererocks said:
Only Detroit player recently to make the NHL as an under 20 was Larkin. Detroit has been very successful in being patient with their prospects. I think it is a mistake for them to get a taste and then sent down. I think it is healthier for them to play in juniors and spend some time in the AHL.

There is a huge jump in talent between juniors and the AHL and even bigger between juniors and the NHL. It is a hard transition.
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Now look deeper.

Last 25 years, Detroit has not had a top 10 pick so Provorov certainly cannot be compared. In fact, in those 25 years, Larkin at 15 was the highest pick and he is playing in his draft +2 season.

Keep looking deeper:
92: Bowen...LW at #22....bust....never played an NHL game
93: Eriksson...dman at #22...Swede who took a few years to come over
94: Golubovsky...dman at #23...56 NHL games played...bust
95: Kuznetzov...dman at #26...136 games played...bust
96: Wallin...dman at #26...49 games played...bust
98: Fischer..dman at #28...played in NHL IN DRAFT +2 SEASON...played in CHL
00: Kronwall...dman at #29....Swede who took a few years to come over
05: Kindl....dman at #19...took the long path you suggest from CHL
07: Smith...dman at #27...college route then AHL
08: McCollum...goalie at #30...bust with 3 games played
10: Sheahan...center at #21...college route then AHL
13: Mantha...winger at #20...CHL player taking the path you suggest

So....here are Detroit's 1st rounders the past 25 years and what do you see? LOTS OF DMEN DRAFTED LATE IN THE 1st ROUND. Then add on that a bunch are Euro's who always come over after a few year, not right away.

This whole "Detroit makes them wait" is a myth when it comes to their 1st rounders. They get made to wait because they are not near ready due to mostly being dman.

Detroit's "waiting" happens to all their picks because they are eligible to play in the AHL when they come over, of finish college, and Detroit has been a Cup competing team. So NO ONE was getting in easy due to how good Detroit was.

Maybe this should be saved by someone when this topic comes up. I, myself didn't even realize it looked like this until I dig deeper.
 
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briererocks said:
Only Detroit player recently to make the NHL as an under 20 was Larkin. Detroit has been very successful in being patient with their prospects. I think it is a mistake for them to get a taste and then sent down. I think it is healthier for them to play in juniors and spend some time in the AHL.

There is a huge jump in talent between juniors and the AHL and even bigger between juniors and the NHL. It is a hard transition.
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Don't forget that, as a result of constant success, Detroit isn't getting top 10 picks. They're being patient with late firsts. Provorov, like Larkin, is just ready to be in the NHL so thats where he'll probably be (unless he has some kind of injury or some unexpected setback in his development). Konecny is someone who has the skill and brains to be a top 10 pick but he dropped because of size and injury concerns (plus Boston being stupid) so he's not like most late firsts as far as development goes. .
 
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Then bring them to the NHL; especially Provorov...the guy is doing everything in his power to be with the big boyz.

Send Streit packing for a draft pick at the deadline and Gagner can be replaced with Konecy.

tade said:
They can't play in AHL.
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If Konecny was still with the 67's I would say he should be in the NHL but since he got traded to a good team in Sarnia I think he should play another year with them.

I don't think there is much more for Provorov in the CHL. If he was able to go to the AHL I would say send him there for around 20 games to get used to the professional style. But he can't so I think he should at least get 9 games next year to see how well he adapts.
 
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