Should Play-in stats count as regular season stats or playoff stats?
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Worst thing that can happen if you count as playoffs: Someone scores more than 19 playoff goals, breaks the record for most in a single run. Who cares? There'll be an asterisk here as it's in 5 rounds vs 4 rounds (similarly, when NHL went from 2 to 4 rounds, no one started comparing raw stats of the 4 round era to 2 round era, right?). So no real harm. Will be an amazing performance, and people will be smart enough to recognize 5 vs 4 rounds.
But regular season....i don't think that's fair, because not everyone gets a chance to finish regular season.
Who wins the Rocket? Ovi, Pastrnak or Matthews? Matthews may have 7 games as a 'play-in' and score a bunch of goals. How many games will Pastrnak and Ovi have in round robin, 2-3? You could similarly put up an asterisk on a season, but putting an asterisk on a whole season when it was ~90% done seems like a shame.
Also - 'not counting at all' is dumb. These will be highly competitive situations - I think they should count. So - playoffs.
But regular season....i don't think that's fair, because not everyone gets a chance to finish regular season.
Who wins the Rocket? Ovi, Pastrnak or Matthews? Matthews may have 7 games as a 'play-in' and score a bunch of goals. How many games will Pastrnak and Ovi have in round robin, 2-3? You could similarly put up an asterisk on a season, but putting an asterisk on a whole season when it was ~90% done seems like a shame.
Also - 'not counting at all' is dumb. These will be highly competitive situations - I think they should count. So - playoffs.
TheGoldenJet
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As a fan I’d prefer them to count as regular season stats.
Would be really boring from a fan perspective if they didn’t count as either regular season stats or playoff stats.
I read one opinion talking about the eliminated teams not being able to have extra games being used against those players in contract negotiations/stats races, which is easily negated by the NHL mandating that only the stats we currently have today (for season stats races etc) can be used in contract negotiations for the eliminated teams.
Would be really boring from a fan perspective if they didn’t count as either regular season stats or playoff stats.
I read one opinion talking about the eliminated teams not being able to have extra games being used against those players in contract negotiations/stats races, which is easily negated by the NHL mandating that only the stats we currently have today (for season stats races etc) can be used in contract negotiations for the eliminated teams.
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TheGoldenJet
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Agreed, which is why I chose regular season stats. Really boring and deflating if these stats didn’t count for a player’s career totals, but at the same time I don’t want to see someone break Leach or Gretzky’s playoff records because of 5 rounds of “playoffs” played.
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Either regular season or not at all. I think not at all would be a bit unfair though. Either way, stats for this season will be a bit weird.
Not at all is probably the most fair option though, these games affecting regular season awards is a good point.
Not at all is probably the most fair option though, these games affecting regular season awards is a good point.
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It's not the regular season, so they wouldn't count as such. Explain to me how it makes sense that Ovechkin and Pasta could lose their share of the Rocket to Matthews or Draisatl because Toronto/Edmonton can theoretically have 5 extra games to run up the stat sheet?
Plus, in order to start this tournament, I'd imagine the NHL will formally declare the end of the regular season as of March 11th
Probably count them as playoff if anything. NFL counts their play-in game stats as playoff spots.
Plus, in order to start this tournament, I'd imagine the NHL will formally declare the end of the regular season as of March 11th
Probably count them as playoff if anything. NFL counts their play-in game stats as playoff spots.
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bleedblue1223
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Yeah, changing the Regular Season awards with these games would be just as dumb as potentially affecting the post-season records with a one-off extra round.
In the NFL and MLB when the playoffs were expanded, the changes were permanent, similar to when leagues make the regular season longer, meaning players will accumulate more stats. We can view the records in that era context. With the NFL going to 17 games, pretty much all single-season records will be broken in the near future.
TheGoldenJet
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Ovechkin/Pasta would have their own round-robin games (for seeding) to compensate for the best of 5 Drai/Matthews get to play.
Mickey Marner
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If they count towards anything it'll be playoffs, but they shouldn't count towards ether season or playoff totals.
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I think they should count as stats for the play in only, not regular season or playoffs. These initial games are not the playoffs, it is to decide who makes the playoffs. I think they should be kept as separate stats similar to a players career international or All-Star game stats.
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LakeLivin
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They shouldn't count towards either with respect to awards (or contract negotiations). But they should be added to players career regular season totals.
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EdJovanovski
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Regular season, they are make up games for games missed in the regular season.
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Looks like the stats will officially count as play-off stats:
From the Dept. of "Is The Qualification Round a Playoff Round?": The NHL tells ESPN that stats from the play-in and round-robin games ARE PLAYOFF STATS, and will be tabulated as such. This comes after the league officially named stats-based regular-season award winners today: David Pastrnak and Alex Ovechkin shared the Rocket Richard (goals); Tuukka Rask and Jaroslav Halak won the Jennings Trophy (goals against); and Leon Draisaitl won his first career Art Ross Trophy (points).
Given the choice, I have preferred that they counted as regular season stats instead. Wonder what this means for Conn Smythe voting etc. Will the play-in round count as part of this playoff run, or would it be considered separately?
How Blackhawks are impacted by NHL counting play-in results as playoff stats
From the Dept. of "Is The Qualification Round a Playoff Round?": The NHL tells ESPN that stats from the play-in and round-robin games ARE PLAYOFF STATS, and will be tabulated as such. This comes after the league officially named stats-based regular-season award winners today: David Pastrnak and Alex Ovechkin shared the Rocket Richard (goals); Tuukka Rask and Jaroslav Halak won the Jennings Trophy (goals against); and Leon Draisaitl won his first career Art Ross Trophy (points).
Given the choice, I have preferred that they counted as regular season stats instead. Wonder what this means for Conn Smythe voting etc. Will the play-in round count as part of this playoff run, or would it be considered separately?
How Blackhawks are impacted by NHL counting play-in results as playoff stats
Play-ins are do or die - it should absolutely count for conn smythe consideration. As much as round 1 of playoffs normally does of course. The stat counting was the more controversial one - though I prefer it this way too, playoff stats.
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If they are regular season, then the Rocket has NOT been settled.
If playoffs, round 0, and the round robin should be treated as such, some teams may play 1 or 2 more games,
but that always happens anyways.
It would be weird for this one season, to have an extra column of stats.
If playoffs, round 0, and the round robin should be treated as such, some teams may play 1 or 2 more games,
but that always happens anyways.
It would be weird for this one season, to have an extra column of stats.
