I've been saying it for a long time. IMO he's terrible at game management. If you're Leaf fan, he deserves another year with a win tonight. But the Leafs can do better next year without him.
Should Mike Babcock be fired if the Leafs lose in Game 7?
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Lol. Yeah...That’s nnnot how that works, Chief. Pushing your shabby little narrative minus facts and reason? Lol. Not desperate at all.
TheBeastCoast
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Yes. I sat on the fence all season long to see how he did in this series. Not good enough. Next.
TheBeastCoast
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You would quickly enjoy 17 minutes of McDavid a night lol. Babcock has been soundly out coached in 3 straight playoff series so far with the Leafs.
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OrrNumber4
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Probably. But don't fall into the trap of making the coach the convenient scapegoat.
Dubas has to get some of the blame for acquiring Muzzin, keeping Gardiner, the whole issue with Nylander, and frankly Patrik Marleau. Those players, and also Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander can't be too happy with their performances this series. Kadri is responsible for the bone-headed hit he was suspended for. Even Andersen, who IMO is capable of a lot more. This is what, the second consecutive game seven he has disappointed in?
Dubas has to get some of the blame for acquiring Muzzin, keeping Gardiner, the whole issue with Nylander, and frankly Patrik Marleau. Those players, and also Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander can't be too happy with their performances this series. Kadri is responsible for the bone-headed hit he was suspended for. Even Andersen, who IMO is capable of a lot more. This is what, the second consecutive game seven he has disappointed in?
Not once was Babcocks team a favorite to win any of the series. Clearly, they havnt been able to upset any team either but the Leafs have other glaring problems that needs to be fixed first before looking at the normal scapegoat.
Looking at Kadri who puts himself ahead of the team, not once but twice suspending himself for a big amount of post season games on selfish plays. Lack of post season experience on the entire team , and still lack of D depth even though they added Muzzin it looks weak compared to other teams.
Looking at Kadri who puts himself ahead of the team, not once but twice suspending himself for a big amount of post season games on selfish plays. Lack of post season experience on the entire team , and still lack of D depth even though they added Muzzin it looks weak compared to other teams.
Why does Dubas get blame?
He acquired Tavares
He signed Nylander who was there most of season + playoffs (had Nylander sat the season out and Leafs lost - then you blame Dubas big time as you wonder if Nylander makes a difference)
He traded for Muzzin, arguably the best defenseman traded during the season
You can blame Dubas for a lot of things. Maybe question how he'll manage the off season with contracts and cap space, and shedding dead weight/salaries. None of that affected playoffs this year though. The loss isn't on him at all imo. it's on coach and players.
It's true that Leafs haven't been the favorites once - but underdogs win all the time (this year especially) - and the past 2 years specifically it's been kind of a 51/49 in terms of favorite vs underdogs with Leafs and Bruins. At some point you have to win.
True at some point you have to win, underdogs win but when they do they are built differently than the Leafs, the player material does not seem to be strong mentally.. the lack of confidence has been evident for many years. They havnt particularly invest in players with a history of winning series over the past couple of years either.. And the one addition with a a cup - Muzzins, its quite a few years since he last won a series at this point.
All upsets so far has been dominance pretty much from the beginning in all accounts with the Avs, BJ's and Islanders all playing fantastic in almost all games, the one potential upset that is still up in air Canes vs Caps.. Canes has been super agressive on their forecheck and playing really good defensively something that the Leafs have not done.
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I don't think he will be but I'm perfectly fine if he is.
He got horribly out coached and continues to make stupid horrible decisions. He continues to use Marleau...like....all the time. No matter what the scenario and I don't know how Babcock hadn't noticed this....but Marleau sucks now. He's the most nothing inconsequential player on the Leafs. He merely exists and adds nothing.
There's also no excuse for his management of Matthews ice time.
He got horribly out coached and continues to make stupid horrible decisions. He continues to use Marleau...like....all the time. No matter what the scenario and I don't know how Babcock hadn't noticed this....but Marleau sucks now. He's the most nothing inconsequential player on the Leafs. He merely exists and adds nothing.
There's also no excuse for his management of Matthews ice time.
613Leafer
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He's good but stubborn about certain things that can be pretty costly.
Should the highest paid coach in the NHL be playing Marleau 17 minutes in a pivotal game 6? Playing Matthews <19 minutes in game 7? Run a pedestrian PP when you have Rielly, Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Kadri, Gardiner, Muzzin, etc as options?
I'm not giving an opinion yet on whether Leafs should fire him. I don't think it's a slam dunk either way, though I do think we want to avoid losing Keefe.
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I would give a plus to Dubas for acquiring Muzzin and signing Nylander actually.
It's on Babcock in terms of how they were used. Ie Patrick Marleau.
I think next season might be a make or break for Babcock at this point. They need to start getting the results.
ChiefWiggum
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He shouldn't be fired but somebody in Leafs management needs to sit down with him and ask him why Matthews plays so few minutes. He is no longer a baby that needs coddling. This will be Year 4 and he was the best chance that they had at tying game 7.
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Muzzin - Good
Gardiner - Good
Nylander - Good
Marleau - Signed by Lou
What does Dubas deserve blame for exactly?
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LeafsNation75
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You do know that Kyle Dubas is not the one who signed Patrick Marleau. It was Lou Lamoriello who gave him a 3 year contract when he was the Leafs GM.
OrrNumber4
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My bad.
Seems like a lot of Leafs fans are happy with Gardiner and Muzzin, so over that we just have a disagreement. I'm not sure how people think the Nylander issue was handled well.
Who had a very bad series. I don't think it was a good use of cap space given Toronto already looked good up front. Can you imagine if they had that 11 million to chase Karlsson this offseason?
Nylander had a bad season, and I am sure the late start plus his own frustration, fueled by Dubas's incompetency, contributed to it.
The Muzzin trade looked good at the time, but it really hasn't worked out. I thought he was awful in the playoffs...at some point, you have to judge a trade on the results and not the process.
Also, at the end of the day, Dubas is responsible for the staff and the players. We can argue about how much time he has to clean house and acquire/trade certain players, but he's responsible for the end product. Maybe you are frustrated with Babcock, but Dubas was the guy who didn't have the foresight or the gumption to move on from him.
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LeafsNation75
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I just hope that Dubas learned from the Nylander contract and he gets Marner re-signed before July 1, 2019.
Pyrophorus
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Maybe the Leafs can get better, with some proper dmen.
We need to get rid of 3 for a long time now.
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Pyrophorus
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Don't have to. Very often they don't. All they have to do is buy into his system and ideas.
