Halla
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what assets did we lose not signing stamkos?
what assets would we lose trading for shattenkirk then watching him bolt?
same thing
Sportsnet: Shattenkirk open to playing for Maple Leafs, Canadiens
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what assets did we lose not signing stamkos?
what assets would we lose trading for shattenkirk then watching him bolt?
same thing
Halla
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I dont think many think Shattenkirk actually wants to play here.
he wants to test the market. leafs shouldnt trade for him unless the price is ridiculously cheap (it wont be)
I was one of the many who wanted stamkos, but also didnt expect us to have a kid become an impact #1C a month into the season
LeafsNation75
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I agree that the Leafs should not trade for him because they aren't in the rental market. Plus as I said before if he is serious about coming to Toronto I rather wait and sign him without giving up any draft picks or prospects.
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The question for any potential bidding team is whether: 1. they consider it important to have a proven RHD offensive D-Man (and one of the best PP QB's in the league); and 2. whether they want to pay said D-Man approximately $6.5 million AAV on a longer term deal.
If the answer to both of those questions is "yes," then it probably is worth the time to talk to Shatty now before a bidding war starts b/c he will easily draw interest from at least 3-6 teams if he makes it to UFA without signing. In sum, if he fits an important need, you are at least going to make a call now to investigate. If Shatty agrees to sign now, then it is well worth the price that most expect the Blues to ask in order to avoid losing him to another team this summer.
If the answer to both of those questions is "yes," then it probably is worth the time to talk to Shatty now before a bidding war starts b/c he will easily draw interest from at least 3-6 teams if he makes it to UFA without signing. In sum, if he fits an important need, you are at least going to make a call now to investigate. If Shatty agrees to sign now, then it is well worth the price that most expect the Blues to ask in order to avoid losing him to another team this summer.
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I'd gladly pony up for him if he has indicated he'd re-sign here (TOR). Even so, there is a firm limit to what I'd offer. He's very good, but he's not the perfect fit.
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You didn't get that I was making fun of the infinite "we'll just sign him in the offseason" posts. He's going somewhere at the deadline. And it'll probably be to a team that will want to keep him long term. So the bidding starts now, not later. Armstrong's job literally depends on this transaction being beneficial to the Blues, I sincerely don't think he'll mess it up.
If Shattenkirk refuses to agree to an extension with a team, I'd think it's out of the Blues hands on what they can get for him. I'm sure he realizes he is more valuable if a team can get him for free in the summer.
ConBonJovi
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Man, you guys will get waaaay more than a 1st. He's easily going to be the biggest want at the trade deadline. Armstrong's going to have at least 7-8 teams kicking tires at the very least. Really curious to see how much a team gives up to get him if he does end up getting traded.
JTRAIN1966
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Wouldn't it be crazy if, Carolina traded one of their young Dmen for Duchene, & figured out a deal to pickup Shattenkirk as well at the deadline ? Just a thought from a Blues fan that can't wait for this **** with, Shattenkirk to be over !
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I hope my Bruins stay away Would he help yup.But a rental costs and he not worth what his agent will be asking longterm.Rather let McAvoy have them minutes with Carlo and Colin Miller next year.
FerrisRox
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This is largely irrelevant.
The Canadiens would have zero interest in him as he doesn't address any of their needs, and while the Maple Leafs desperately need defenseman, Shattenkirk would represent a poor investment on their part in terms of trade pieces and/or a long term contract.
The Maple Leafs need some defenseman that can actually eat big minutes playing solid defense and that isn't what Shattenkirk will give them.
If the Maple Leaf front office thinks Shattenkirk is the answer than they really don't understand the question. The Leafs should stay far away from this one.
The Canadiens would have zero interest in him as he doesn't address any of their needs, and while the Maple Leafs desperately need defenseman, Shattenkirk would represent a poor investment on their part in terms of trade pieces and/or a long term contract.
The Maple Leafs need some defenseman that can actually eat big minutes playing solid defense and that isn't what Shattenkirk will give them.
If the Maple Leaf front office thinks Shattenkirk is the answer than they really don't understand the question. The Leafs should stay far away from this one.
I heard someone suggest to Bob McCown on PTS this afternoon that the Leafs offer Gardiner and JVR for Shattenkirk.
Sheesh.
It takes all kinds.
Sheesh.
It takes all kinds.
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Someone needs to introduce Mr. McCown to this thing called the salary cap. JVR and Shattenkirk have the same cap hit this season, so the Blues would be unable to afford Gardiner's additional cap hit unless another $4M or so was headed the other way, or unless TOR agreed to a pretty significant retention on one or both of their players.
Value-wise it is probably decent if Shattenkirk comes with an agreed-upon extension. Asset wise, I'm not sure it works well for the Blues. We have too many Top 6 LW (Steen, Schwarz, Perron, Fabbri [IR]) as it is. Perron has been playing RW all season but is better on his off wing. None of the other 3 seem to fare too well playing C or RW. Unless moving to RW is something JVR could do seamlessly, I don't see where he fits. If the Blues are trading an extended Shattenkirk for Top 6 forward help it needs to be for a C (preferred) or a RW.
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McCown didnt bite.
He doesnt think the Leafs should waste money on Shatty. Period.
Personally I'd love to see Shattenkirk sign in Edmonton. Would be a huge plus for the Oilers and I think he'd fit there perfectly. Plus it would be nice to finally see Edmonton back in the running, and I think adding Shatty to their current roster definitely elevates them to a next level and gets them back in the game on a regular basis.
Now, do I think he will sign there, No. but it would still be nice to see.
I don't think the Habs are overly involved beyond the cursory look and offer. I don't think there will be any haggling or what ever. Just not a fit in Montreal, but you have to at least make 1 offer on a player like him. You never know.
Toronto could definitely use him, but what would they have to give up to get him. For a rebuilding team to trade out assets for a veteran player, outside their cup window just doesn't make much sense. More likely, TO will see how things go this year then address any issues next year. They still have time.
For me, the most likely destination is NYR. Just seems like all the stars are lined up for that to happen.
Now, do I think he will sign there, No. but it would still be nice to see.
I don't think the Habs are overly involved beyond the cursory look and offer. I don't think there will be any haggling or what ever. Just not a fit in Montreal, but you have to at least make 1 offer on a player like him. You never know.
Toronto could definitely use him, but what would they have to give up to get him. For a rebuilding team to trade out assets for a veteran player, outside their cup window just doesn't make much sense. More likely, TO will see how things go this year then address any issues next year. They still have time.
For me, the most likely destination is NYR. Just seems like all the stars are lined up for that to happen.
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Beukeboom Fan
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Agree 100% with this.
If Shattenkirk was locked up long term, what would it take to trade for him? Those type off players (at his age) aren't available very often, and they typically cost a pretty penny to acquire. Not saying that Lou should be sell the farm for KS, just that acquiring quality dmen is often very expensive.
