Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

OrrNumber4

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Looking at Bordeleau's performance at the WJCs, and how he's now really risen in the approximations of a lot of the experts, I'm encouraged.

Certainly, he could fail, and his size and lack of high-end skills might be a problem, but how can one ignore the other part of the ledger?
 

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Looking at Bordeleau's performance at the WJCs, and how he's now really risen in the approximations of a lot of the experts, I'm encouraged.

Certainly, he could fail, and his size and lack of high-end skills might be a problem, but how can one ignore the other part of the ledger?
I certainly am more encouraged than I was before he came to SJ. He did well enough at the NHL level and seemed to be at least good enough to be on a top line at the AHL level. For his age that’s a good thing. Reminds me of Labanc’s come up where people had concerns about his defensive game and his size/physicality but his offensive output made up for it. Bordeleau is significantly better defensively than Labanc was when he started and a bit younger. Labanc was better offensively. So there’s some hope.
 
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If even the biggest Bordeleau defenders are now using Kevin Labanc as the best case scenario for him I think we can all agree that I was right all along.
As a Bordeleau defender I'll admit that there is no guarantee he will be successful. Based on what we have seen and what he does well, he has potential to be successful. I think it's best if we return to this conversation after few seasons and see what is the situation. Also I don't see Labanc as an example of projection for Bordeleau, since they are very different type of players and from different starting points.
 
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As a Bordeleau defender I'll admit that there is no guarantee he will be successful. Based on what we have seen and what he does well, he has potential to be successful. I think it's best if we return to this conversation after few seasons and see what is the situation. Also I don't see Labanc as an example of projection for Bordeleau, since they are very different type of players and from different starting points.
If there's a difference between Bordeleau and Labanc entering their draft+3 seasons it's that Labanc was further ahead in his development. That doesn't mean Bordeleau can't catch up but if we're talking about him needing to take a step forward just to match Labanc you can already write off the fantasy of Bordeleau being a future 2C in the NHL.
 

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If there's a difference between Bordeleau and Labanc entering their draft+3 seasons it's that Labanc was further ahead in his development. That doesn't mean Bordeleau can't catch up but if we're talking about him needing to take a step forward just to match Labanc you can already write off the fantasy of Bordeleau being a future 2C in the NHL.
I love this. Someone says “reminds me of Labanc” and your imagination runs wild.
 

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If even the biggest Bordeleau defenders are now using Kevin Labanc as the best case scenario for him I think we can all agree that I was right all along.

Chris Tierney was also a comparison. All that means is that Bordeleau will need some AHL time, which is no surprise considering how he played at the juniors tournament, and that he will likely be a middle-6 guy. In regards to Labanc, the biggest knocks on him are consistency issues, poor coaching involving deployment, and possibly his contract, which is a result of previous bad contracts. A middle-six power play specialist is not the worst asset to have on the team.

I get your agenda is to get the board to temper their expectations, but a little tact goes a long way.
 

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If there's a difference between Bordeleau and Labanc entering their draft+3 seasons it's that Labanc was further ahead in his development. That doesn't mean Bordeleau can't catch up but if we're talking about him needing to take a step forward just to match Labanc you can already write off the fantasy of Bordeleau being a future 2C in the NHL.
From what I've read, Bordeleau is better defensively than Labanc was at that age.
 

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HFBoards - If Bords hit we can have a 2nd/3rd line winger

Hodge - BORDS WILL NEVER BE MCDAVID....BUST
Don’t rewrite history. Posters were penciling him in as the 2C of the future as recently as a few months ago. I’m glad expectations are finally starting to be tempered a bit.

I was laughed at during the prospect polls a year ago for suggesting the Sharks would be lucky to get one NHL player out of the 2020 class. We’ll see how these kids fare in the AHL but as of this point that prediction is looking spot on.
 

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Don’t rewrite history. Posters were penciling him in as the 2C of the future as recently as a few months ago. I’m glad expectations are finally starting to be tempered a bit.

I was laughed at during the prospect polls a year ago for suggesting the Sharks would be lucky to get one NHL player out of the 2020 class. We’ll see how these kids fare in the AHL but as of this point that prediction is looking spot on.
lol at you telling anyone not to rewrite history. You make someone's opinion out to be the entire fanbase's opinion all the time. You deserve to be laughed at for numerous reasons pertaining to what you say on these boards.
 

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lol at you telling anyone not to rewrite history. You make someone's opinion out to be the entire fanbase's opinion all the time. You deserve to be laughed at for numerous reasons pertaining to what you say on these boards.
If you want to pretend there wasn’t a widespread consensus on this forum that Bordeleau will be a top six NHL center, with some posters even claiming he was a comparable prospect to Matty freakin Beniers, that’s your prerogative.
 

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If you want to pretend there wasn’t a widespread consensus on this forum that Bordeleau will be a top six NHL center, with some posters even claiming he was a comparable prospect to Matty freakin Beniers, that’s your prerogative.
There wasn't. You made that up. You just do what you always do. You take one or two opinions and call that consensus to shit on Sharks fans. That's all there is to it. You're very transparent.
 
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If you want to pretend there wasn’t a widespread consensus on this forum that Bordeleau will be a top six NHL center, with some posters even claiming he was a comparable prospect to Matty freakin Beniers, that’s your prerogative.
What are you even talking about? The most that most people said was that he'd be a solid 3C and that there's potential for him to be a top-six center in the future.

A few people said that Bords would probably be our 2C not because he's a true top-six center, but because the Sharks' depth is so terrible that he'd be there because someone has to play 2C.
 

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If we had someone like Byfield, Lundell, Beniers, McTavish, Wright or Cooley in our prospect pool, I would agree with Bordeleau not being a top 6 potential with us at least as a center. But he is one of the top prospects now for us and I will be on the Bordeleau train until proven otherwise.
 
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If even the biggest Bordeleau defenders are now using Kevin Labanc as the best case scenario for him I think we can all agree that I was right all along.
Never said that tbh. I said there's hope he could develop into a player. I said how he's breaking in reminds me of how Labanc did where posters like you (not saying you, but ones like you) were saying how he would never be able to replicate his offense at the NHL level. Turns out he was able to. Came up fine. Never could adjust to an all around game which caused him to stagnate, decline, and he's at where he is now. I'm saying Bordeleau has more defensive acumen at least, and isn't prone to the same level of just absolutely shitty turnovers that Labanc is, so there's some hope that he could turn out to be the offensively gifted, all-around good enough player that Labanc never could.

But as always, twist those words, move those goalposts, proclaim victory.
 

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Also I'd like to say that pointing at every development pathway and condemning it because it is or is not similar to Kevin Labanc's and acting like he is the only outcome for anyone who is or is not similar to him, is like pointing at a historical event and comparing it to WW2 and Hitler. Sometimes, shit is different. Sometimes it isn't all about Hitler. Sometimes everyone isn't or is Kevin Labanc depending on the argument. I mean I'm guilty of it too, just thought I'd mention it since you can't invoke Kevin Labanc without people raging.
 
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Hodge

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Never said that tbh. I said there's hope he could develop into a player. I said how he's breaking in reminds me of how Labanc did where posters like you (not saying you, but ones like you) were saying how he would never be able to replicate his offense at the NHL level. Turns out he was able to. Came up fine. Never could adjust to an all around game which caused him to stagnate, decline, and he's at where he is now. I'm saying Bordeleau has more defensive acumen at least, and isn't prone to the same level of just absolutely shitty turnovers that Labanc is, so there's some hope that he could turn out to be the offensively gifted, all-around good enough player that Labanc never could.

But as always, twist those words, move those goalposts, proclaim victory.
I understand that’s not what you said, my post was somewhat tongue in cheek. Ultimately I am just grateful some people are starting to come around to more reasonable comparables for Bordeleau like Tierney and Labanc instead of Clayton Keller and Brock Boeser.
 

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"Bordeleau if all goes right could play on the 2nd line."
Hodge: "haha you moron, Malkin plays on the second line. Are you honestly arguing that Bordeleau is as good as Malkin?"
 

Hodge

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"Bordeleau if all goes right could play on the 2nd line."
Hodge: "haha you moron, Malkin plays on the second line. Are you honestly arguing that Bordeleau is as good as Malkin?"
Give me a break. There is an obvious established definition for a 2C which is one of the ~30th-60th best centers in the league.
 

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