GDT: Sharks @ Devils 12:30 PM MSG+

[VoidCreature]

Severson is a borderline top pairing defenseman at 22. He's one of the best possession defenseman in hockey honestly and he hasn't played with one strong possession defenseman all year.

The hate on him is mind boggling.

I most certainly do not hate him. I love Sevs. Most of his defensive flaws can be fixed with time.

Keith Yandle's a damn good defenseman.

 

[Triumph]

Quincey or Merrill will be back very soon and then we'll have too many bodies again, probably

 

[Triumph]

I'd also enjoy living in the world where Severson was a 1st round pick and everyone is defending him versus this one where he's a 2nd rounder and everyone loves to point out what he's not.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I'll give Spidey one more go round on Tuesday since JK assisted me today, much appreciated! Plus, the memes are endless.

 

[Billdo]

Severson's biggest limiting factor on offense is that his shot is a complete muffin. I don't think there's one goalie in the league who fears it.

His playmaking is top notch, but at the moment he's projecting to be a Keith Yandle type. Nothing to scoff at for a 2nd rounder, but not quite what we were all hoping.

There isn't a single person on this board who wouldn't be happy if he turned into Keith Yandle.

 

[JK3]

I'll give Spidey one more go round on Tuesday since JK assisted me today, much appreciated! Plus, the memes are endless.

I tried to keep it going but our record is terrible when I do them. We might have to go back to Cangy or Das Euphoria.

 

[NJDevs26]

I'd also enjoy living in the world where Severson was a 1st round pick and everyone is defending him versus this one where he's a 2nd rounder and everyone loves to point out what he's not.

I really don't think that has anything to do with why people bag on Severson. When he's bad it's more viscerally noticeable than some other guys. The hype on his first ten games was so over the top it did him a disservice in the long run. And the constant comparisons to Larsson have been a lightning rod around here.

 

[devilsblood]

I really don't think that has anything to do with why people bag on Severson. When he's bad it's more viscerally noticeable than some other guys. The hype on his first ten games was so over the top it did him a disservice in the long run. And the constant comparisons to Larsson have been a lightning rod around here.

Like with many players there are camps of fans who will be quick to critique, as well as fans who will be quick to defend.

Lars as an example certainly had his share of each.

 

[devilsblood]

Quincey or Merrill will be back very soon and then we'll have too many bodies again, probably

Hoping Merrill wins this race.

 

[Triumph]

I really don't think that has anything to do with why people bag on Severson.

A: When he's bad it's more viscerally noticeable than some other guys.

B: The hype on his first ten games was so over the top it did him a disservice in the long run.

C:And the constant comparisons to Larsson have been a lightning rod around here.

I'll address each of these:

A: Yeah, because Severson actually knows how to carry the puck and do things with it, unlike the rest of the defense. The idea of a safe defenseman being good is dying out and I'm not sure it existed in the first place.

B: He's a top-pairing level defenseman at 22. Get over the hype, he was never going to score 20 goals a season. Other than no longer scoring some lucky goals, he's lived up to exactly what he appeared to be in those first games.

C: Which is exactly my point. A lot of people have anchoring bias because one player was taken in the first round and one player was taken in the 2nd round. It doesn't matter anymore.

 

[NJDevs26]

C: Which is exactly my point. A lot of people have anchoring bias because one player was taken in the first round and one player was taken in the 2nd round. It doesn't matter anymore.

First round-second round has nothing to do with that though, people just get personally entrenched in their arguments and arguing other posters - that's the true bias vis-a-vis Severson.

I don't deny there's a pro first-round bias sometimes (Josefson, Tedenby), but I don't believe there's an anti-other round bias. Auvitu's an undrafted FA signing and his tires have been getting pumped to the moon for doing very little so far. Santini's hype has been all positive to this point and he's another second rounder. Even Merrill was backed for a long time before people finally fell off the bandwagon.

 

[Triumph]

First round-second round has nothing to do with that though, people just get personally entrenched in their arguments and arguing other posters - that's the true bias vis-a-vis Severson.

It had a ton to do with the Larsson/Severson debates, even if people weren't explicit in stating that. Anchoring bias is real.

I don't deny there's a pro first-round bias sometimes (Josefson, Tedenby), but I don't believe there's an anti-other round bias. Auvitu's an undrafted FA signing and his tires have been getting pumped to the moon for doing very little so far. Santini's hype has been all positive to this point and he's another second rounder. Even Merrill was backed for a long time before people finally fell off the bandwagon.

Merrill and Santini were the first people picked by the Devils in their year. Regardless, even someone like Josh Jacobs is overrated just because he was taken in the 2nd round. Also the supposed Auvitu tire-pumping are things like 'Auvitu should be playing in the NHL'.

Anyway this wasn't a great game and there's not much to talk about from it.

 

[glenwo2]

I tried to keep it going but our record is terrible when I do them. We might have to go back to Cangy or Das Euphoria.

Just want to say that your avy is a perfect representation on how some of us feel right now.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Santini made a really great play today. Hall was skating the puck into the zone but there were a couple of guys that were going to strip the puck from him. Santini charged ahead and whacked their sticks out of the way to let Hall gain the zone and it lead to a good scoring chance. That's the kind of quick thinking and creativity this team has been lacking. He knew exactly what needed to be done to create a chance and he did it, and it wasn't just the easy obvious play.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I feel like we never win matinees.

 

[Bleedred]

Our Coach is incomprehensible. I suppose he is entertaining as far as train-wrecks go.

But yeah....Might as well try putting Greene and Sev back together. Nothing to lose at this point.

The only thing we have to lose are maybe a few more chances against per game.

Much better.

If Kalinin talk lands Spidey in a hospital bed, having to suffer through watching him play might put him in a coffin.

I mean it's not like Shero was the one that fired Pete so why would he have anything against us per se? Most of the guys that were here when Pete was around are no longer.

If he wants to stick it to anyone, it would be me and all the fans that wanted him gone and booed him during intros. Or the fans that talked **** about him on this forum, if he really did read these boards.

Short of putting shock collars on the players, I'm not sure what Hynes is supposed to do. These are professional athletes. If they don't know how to get ready for a game with a week off, that's on them.

Hynes needs a shock collar for whenever he plans on putting out Kalinin or DSP (when he's in action) against players like Duchene or MacKinnon on Tuesday night. Since Colorado is so terrible, I can see him getting cute and doing just that. And he needs to realize that Lovejoy needs to not be on the top pairing anymore. This is getting out of hand, his minutes have been up for the better part of the last 6 games, while Severson's go ker plunk.

I think a lot of it has to do with Helgy's 1 way deal.

Severson's almost got 200 games under his belt. Time to take the handcuffs off.

I'm not sure they care about his one way deal so much. If that was their concern, it was dumb of Shero to even give him a one way deal for his second year. As if he ever actually showed anything to deserve it.

Severson's biggest limiting factor on offense is that his shot is a complete muffin. I don't think there's one goalie in the league who fears it.

I was just saying earlier that his shot needs work. That's the only blemish about his offensive game. He's scored with it before a few times, but it's few and far between since his first couple of games in the league.

Severson is a borderline top pairing defenseman at 22. He's one of the best possession defenseman in hockey honestly and he hasn't played with one strong possession defenseman all year.

The hate on him is mind boggling.

I'm not sure of it either.

The venom towards Severson should be directed towards Moore and Lovejoy, who (Lovejoy) is ROBBING him of minutes and when that happens, our team suffers for it. Because Lovejoy is not good enough to play 22 minutes per game, while Severson gets under 20 in these last handful of games.

 

[Billdo]

Well at least my vbookie account is happy. Took SJ -1.5 at 240-100.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I'll address each of these:

A: Yeah, because Severson actually knows how to carry the puck and do things with it, unlike the rest of the defense. The idea of a safe defenseman being good is dying out and I'm not sure it existed in the first place.

B: He's a top-pairing level defenseman at 22. Get over the hype, he was never going to score 20 goals a season. Other than no longer scoring some lucky goals, he's lived up to exactly what he appeared to be in those first games.

C: Which is exactly my point. A lot of people have anchoring bias because one player was taken in the first round and one player was taken in the 2nd round. It doesn't matter anymore.

Hardly the case.

The fact is: The guy is going to be a great defenseman but he is still young and still makes amazingly terrible plays to lose games on occasion. Like this:
https://www.nhl.com/video/stajan-flicks-home-brodies-feed/t-283309224/c-49055603

and this:
https://www.nhl.com/video/backlunds-overtime-winner/t-283309224/c-49057003

It's a case of a 22 year old playing above your head - but seriously - there have been plenty of examples of the above.

Even so, he's going to be one of the best we've had in a long time, so I'm fine with the occasional blunders as he grows.

 

[Bleedred]

A: Yeah, because Severson actually knows how to carry the puck and do things with it, unlike the rest of the defense. The idea of a safe defenseman being good is dying out and I'm not sure it existed in the first place.

I've been saying this since 1993 or so.

It's too bad that we're sitting here in 2017 and too many people (coaches, front office and management people) don't feel the same way yet.

It's not even the old dinosaurs either. Early 40's guys like John Hynes still feel this way, sadly. As evidenced by playing Lovejoy like he's an upper echelon shutdown defenseman and preferring Helgeson to more mobile guys.

 

[Bleedred]

Earlier this season, people were really hyped on Severson, now because he's not on pace for 60 points anymore, he's just whatever. I'm not saying he's a stud yet, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that he's our best defenseman. That's not an outlandish claim whatsoever. I think it's a much more fair assessment at this point than the belief that Lovejoy would be better if played as a bottom pairing guy. I don't think Lovejoy would be good as a bottom pairing guy, though it would help the team out if he was.

The problem with this defense is that, I think most of the defensemen are NHL caliber, there's just too many #6 defensemen on the team. There's 3 guys that are bordering on #6 and #7 caliber defensemen.

Moore is a #6 guy, Lovejoy is a #6 guy, Quincey is probably a #6 and steadily dropping. Stollery is a decent #7, Helgeson is a decent #10-#12. Greene is a middle pairing guy at this point and Severson is a #2 in my mind. Too small a sample on Santini just yet, but he's looked like a pretty good bottom pairing guy, which is exactly how he's being utilized so far. From what I've seen so far, I'm ranking him ahead of all of Moore, Lovejoy and Quincey, at least as of now.

I'm not sure about Merrill, since he's looked good again recently but wasn't good for about 2 years before this. I think we could rank him ahead of Moore, Lovejoy, Quincey, as far as this season goes though.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Every single poster on here has a list of like three players that they absolutely can't wait to **** all over when they screw up.

I don't get this need to **** on your own team, but here we are and we are all doing it at some point or another.

 

[Bleedred]

Every single poster on here has a list of like three players that they absolutely can't wait to **** all over when they screw up.

I don't get this need to **** on your own team, but here we are and we are all doing it at some point or another.

I think I'm pretty fair though. I don't really go off on the players (or coaches) that are good.

I think the last Devils player that was good, that I couldn't stand and took shots at whenever I could was Steve Thomas. Which was like almost 20 years ago at this point.

That's not including guys who were once good, but became shells of themselves here. Like Pandolfo, White (I never thought White was very good though), Salvador, Zubrus, etc.

 

[njdevils1982]

Every single poster on here has a list of like three players that they absolutely can't wait to **** all over when they screw up.

I don't get this need to **** on your own team, but here we are and we are all doing it at some point or another.

whats my list?

im not big on ripping on players…. well, the passive 'cam to vegas' might count

 

[Bleedred]

whats my list?

im not big on ripping on players…. well, the passive 'cam to vegas' might count

I think too many people here are hard on him too, at least as of right now. He's still on pace to score 50 points this year over 82 games, despite the ridiculous goal droughts. He might be on pace for a career worst in goals scored. I do think he could get pretty ugly in the next year or two and completely grenade, but I've been fine with him this year.

 

[Emperoreddy]

whats my list?

im not big on ripping on players…. well, the passive 'cam to vegas' might count

You have never gone on a JJ rant or something?