Quid Pro Clowe
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Yet Boughner had the nerve to say they stuck up for one another.
Hopefully that was just the org telling him to tone it down after last game.
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Hopefully that was just the org telling him to tone it down after last game.
Bowie22
blow it up
Forgot there was a game today. I should do that more often.
tiburon12
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Remember when people here thought Joe Thornton was the problem?
good times.
ttfn
good times.
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TomasHertlsRooster
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Yes, that's fair. But I think the loss of Dillon and Goodrow harmed that culture, which already had its issues to begin with.
This team is utter garbage, and this is most likely a lost season. It's time for Boughner to stop putting 4th liners (Nieto, Marleau, Gambrell) in top-9 roles and see what he has in terms of the young guys. Kane-Couture-Labanc should face other teams' top lines so that the young guys don't get completely destroyed, but the middle-6 should consist of Hertl, Meier, Donato, and 2-3 of Chmelevski, Leonard, Balcers, Blichfeld, etc. on a nightly basis. Leonard and Balcers both got stuck on 4th line duty for a game each...that's utterly stupid. Let's see what we have in terms of cheap young talent just like we found out that Gregor is a solid 4th line winger last year. Sorensen belongs in the press box permanently (just like Noesen), and the 4th line should be Marleau-Gambrell-Nieto until the TDL. If Boughner isn't on board with that and wants to keep forcing shitty vet players into the top-9, DW should find a coach who is more open to actually seeing what this organization has in terms of prospects in a lost season.
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The team actually reminds me of playoff!Sharks from 2006-2014. Thornton stops producing, everyone looks for someone else to step up, the players get frustrated and start doing their own thing, and they end up spiraling and spiraling into the inevitable loss.
Agree and disagree. Young players get better whilst playing. At the same time, we should know by now that playing in the NHL is not an easy feat, and going from the AHL/juniors/college to even just the third line is a big jump. Ideally, Chmelevski, Leonard, etc. (prospects who aren't exactly blue-chip) can get their feet wet on the fourth line. Ideally, I'd like to see the Sharks trade Sorensen/Nieto/Noesen/Kellman, etc., and run a fourth line comprised of the "prospects". The ones who are playing well can play with the others in the middle-six.
I'd agree with the cautious approach for a guy like Leonard who is coming straight from college, but I want to see Chmelevski and Balcers get regular playing time in the top-9...they spent a decent amount of time in the AHL, and I don't think 4th line minutes alongside guys like Marleau and Nieto is the way to go for them. Unsurprisingly, Balcers looked a lot more comfortable alongside Hertl and Meier today than in a 4th line role earlier this week.
I just mentioned this in the Barracuda thread, but if they're not playing Chmelevski, I think they should send him down. He's played a total of one hockey game in 2021. He hasn't really spent a ton of time in the AHL in his career- he's spent maybe a third of a season healthy down there.
The taxi squad is a good place to stick someone like Letunov, who's there now. That guy just is what he is. Viel made sense to me to have there too- he has some skill, but is he going to develop past "fourth line physical winger"? A guy like Chmelevski, who's still relatively early in development, shouldn't be stuck sitting there.
When sarcasm is intended it's common practice to signal that intention... like with a small graphic symbol... something that means sarcasm... maybe something like this...
Alwalys
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thornton was a problem. he was good enough to be looked at as a difference maker every night, but not good enough to be a difference maker every night.
team hasn't yet found another every-night difference-maker, but that problem existed concurrently with thornton.
We are right in a familiar spot, last in the west. Gonna be the sharks new home for a few more years.
Quid Pro Clowe
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So, I’m guessing the league will just ignore the headshot and cross check by Marchessault.
This is what happens when you allow a lawyer who only cares about profit margins to run your league for a quarter of a century. Guys like Gary don’t see right or wrong, they only see dollar signs. Vegas is worth more than anyone, so of course they never get a call against them supplementally speaking.
This is what happens when you allow a lawyer who only cares about profit margins to run your league for a quarter of a century. Guys like Gary don’t see right or wrong, they only see dollar signs. Vegas is worth more than anyone, so of course they never get a call against them supplementally speaking.
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Room for positives after a very disappointing game: At 5-on-5, SJ scored the only goal and had more expected goals than Vegas, the NHL's strongest 5-on-5 play driving team.
An aside: remember when havlat experienced a season ending injury while doing a line change?
Edit: wasn't technically season ending! Only 4 months. But yeah he did then get injured again that season
hohosaregood
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Sounds like we've solved a long time problem of the sharks. Can't choke in the playoffs if you don't make the playoffs.
hohosaregood
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They were missing Theodore so I would take that with a huge grain of salt.
Quid Pro Clowe
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The league fined Simek 5k for a spear a couple weeks back. It was after a night game and they did it by 1 in the afternoon the next day.
It’s apparent those dops pos’ are going to just let it slide. I wish some of you tech savvy peeps would just spam their Twitter page with the hit until they do their jobs. If the league and refs aren’t going to protect the players it may cause a Mcsorley/Bertuzzi reaction by one of them in the future.
It’s apparent those dops pos’ are going to just let it slide. I wish some of you tech savvy peeps would just spam their Twitter page with the hit until they do their jobs. If the league and refs aren’t going to protect the players it may cause a Mcsorley/Bertuzzi reaction by one of them in the future.
Or, he has been invoking injuries, many of which better players skate through, to rationalize just not being very good. Orr was a better player without knees than Karlsson ever was. If they had modern knee replacements back when Orr played - my goodness I would have loved to see him play another 4 or 5 years.
I agree. The Sharks did give 105%, but that game could've easily been 8-1 if PDB wasn't the coach. I mean that in a positive way too. PDB probably told his guys this game was about working on their PP, forecheck energy, cycling and to keep it at about 3/4 effort. Co-workers 4 eva.
hohosaregood
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Yea Vegas was barely trying at even strength and they were still getting juicy chances.
Quid Pro Clowe
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Disappointment doesn't quite describe how I feel towards the Sharks, but still I'm going to try hard and take an objective stance on the Simek injury.
Before that sequence, it had been a more physical game, so Simek had already absorbed some contact. The Smith hit might've jolted Simek a bit too, so he could have been fuzzy headed - enough that he wasn't aware enough to brace for the Marchessault hit. After that hit, he was woozy but continued play. And with the cross check, that might have been something he would normally brace against if his head was in the right place.
And to give some leeway, it may be that the refs and players didn't know how concussed Simek was because play continued on. This is kind of like knowing if a boxer/MMA fighter is still mentally in the fight. If not, there could be a serious injury because the fighter can't properly defend a strike. Unfortunately, that might be what happened to Simek. And tragically Marchessault and others did not realize it and played as if Simek wasn't vulnerable.
Trying to hold my tongue, I would say the response was unacceptable and three people for sure carry the blame: Boughner, Couture, Gabriel.
Maybe no one knew how woozy Simek was, so there's a pass for why there was no immediate response or a response in the ensuing shifts. However, any of those three SHOULD have tried to find out what happened during INT2. To check up on Simek's status and check the replay. Obviously, NHLers are still pros and many know each other, so the response should not have been to injure Marchessault. But, there should have been a "check yourself" response to Marchessault and/or his line.
Boughner could have used that as a culture-building moment: "Simek got injured while fighting alone. For the rest of the game, we fight together and everyone will finish checks on the Marchessault line." Or Couture could have spoken up, told Boughner to put his line against Marchessault ASAP, and he would personally finish checks, even if a bit late. Or Gabriel could have taken matters into his own hands and gone after Reaves (whether he wanted to dance or not). I'm not sure that Couture or Gabriel did anything at all in the 3rd.
But, a bonus star goes to Meier and Kane for giving the Marchessault line some attention in the 3rd. I hope not, but I get the feeling they went rogue. That wouldn't be good for locker room culture knowing that a co-worker got injured and leadership failed to do anything meaningful.
EDIT: And the entire front office should be cleared, including the computers with their data. Having a lightweight roster play a physical style against a heavyweight roster is insanity. That's how you end up with Simek injured and Vlasic/Sorensen slow. If they want a physical style, they should acquire big bodies.
Before that sequence, it had been a more physical game, so Simek had already absorbed some contact. The Smith hit might've jolted Simek a bit too, so he could have been fuzzy headed - enough that he wasn't aware enough to brace for the Marchessault hit. After that hit, he was woozy but continued play. And with the cross check, that might have been something he would normally brace against if his head was in the right place.
And to give some leeway, it may be that the refs and players didn't know how concussed Simek was because play continued on. This is kind of like knowing if a boxer/MMA fighter is still mentally in the fight. If not, there could be a serious injury because the fighter can't properly defend a strike. Unfortunately, that might be what happened to Simek. And tragically Marchessault and others did not realize it and played as if Simek wasn't vulnerable.
Trying to hold my tongue, I would say the response was unacceptable and three people for sure carry the blame: Boughner, Couture, Gabriel.
Maybe no one knew how woozy Simek was, so there's a pass for why there was no immediate response or a response in the ensuing shifts. However, any of those three SHOULD have tried to find out what happened during INT2. To check up on Simek's status and check the replay. Obviously, NHLers are still pros and many know each other, so the response should not have been to injure Marchessault. But, there should have been a "check yourself" response to Marchessault and/or his line.
Boughner could have used that as a culture-building moment: "Simek got injured while fighting alone. For the rest of the game, we fight together and everyone will finish checks on the Marchessault line." Or Couture could have spoken up, told Boughner to put his line against Marchessault ASAP, and he would personally finish checks, even if a bit late. Or Gabriel could have taken matters into his own hands and gone after Reaves (whether he wanted to dance or not). I'm not sure that Couture or Gabriel did anything at all in the 3rd.
But, a bonus star goes to Meier and Kane for giving the Marchessault line some attention in the 3rd. I hope not, but I get the feeling they went rogue. That wouldn't be good for locker room culture knowing that a co-worker got injured and leadership failed to do anything meaningful.
EDIT: And the entire front office should be cleared, including the computers with their data. Having a lightweight roster play a physical style against a heavyweight roster is insanity. That's how you end up with Simek injured and Vlasic/Sorensen slow. If they want a physical style, they should acquire big bodies.
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