Avs_19
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Thanks. This is what makes the most sense but I haven't seen details anywhere else yet.
Prospect Info: Shane Bowers - C [via trade with Ottawa Senators]
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Thanks. This is what makes the most sense but I haven't seen details anywhere else yet.
- Apr 25, 2006
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Those are big shoes to fill. He'd have to make huge improvements next year to do that.
Mighty Makar
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His ceiling makes me think of Jordan Staal. With the Avs I think you hope he turns into a very good 3C behind a Mack-Jack 1-2 punch but if he hits his ceiling has the potential to be more than a 3C on another team.
So I'd put his ceiling more at 2C than 3C but would say 3C is a pretty safe bet. He'll be 4C on the Avs after (up to) a year with the Eagles.
Not saying I think he'll turn out that well for us but I think saying 3C is his ceiling is selling him short.
klozge
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If he can pick up his offensive game he could become a 2C. But I see a good 3C out of him long term. Pretty unlikely he’s a 2C imo.
Sorry if I posted this before...but can the kid win faceoffs? I am really getting sick of watching this Avs team get schooled in that area every game. The OTL against the Hawks was especially ridiculous.
Tommy Shelby
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Jost was good at FOs in college.. I think you kind of have to have some focus and coaching with it in the NHL or it won't matter. That is unless the guy is some kind of stand out in that area. I knew losing Duch and ROR, and.. Stastny would hurt us in that area. There is not even anyone good to practice against.
Kam showed some natural talent in that area though.
Hey, if Paul Gaustad ain't up to anything, ask him to come in and give them some pointers. And yeah...hopefully Kam can stay healthy for at least a majority of one season. I still have some very serious doubts about him as a player though.
Its not uncommon for young teams to be bad at FO's and pretty rare for young players to come in and be terribly great at them.
Perratrooper
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Bowers practices with Cros and MacK so hopefully he can at least get close to NHL speed on draws. If he comes in dominating the faceoff circle out of camp it'll be very hard to send him down.
Not that I disagree, but I think it'll be easier to replace Soda simply because Soda has essentially had to fill TWO roles the entire time he's played for the Avs. He's had to be the top shutdown guy as well as their 2nd line center (and I maintain that he's much better suited for the latter role than the former but has done quite adequately under the circumstances). Now that the Avs are presumably at a stage where they can add the necessary depth both through the draft and free agency, I'm not terribly worried that there will be 2nd and 3rd line centers who can take on the supreme burden Soda has had to take on during his time in Denver. All Bowers needs to be is defensively sound and able to facilitate offense to some degree while also logging PK time. I think he'll be capable of doing that, and as for the other portion, well, we will see whether the draft, free agency, or a combination of both ends up addressing that.
- Aug 25, 2006
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Well hopefully he doesn't learn from Mack...
And Mack has been training with Crosby for quite a few years now and he still sucks at it.
I get it, but I hate the fact this team is so abominable at them and there doesn't appear to be a quick fix. I'm not advocating them getting a faceoff specialist (we all know how well that's panned out) but I'm still hopeful they try and address it somehow, even if it's nothing more than "Hey Nate, we think you need to work on this over the summer..."
Its something players can always get better at and it is an area of improvement for sure, I'm just saying the current situation isn't too shocking and will likely improve over time naturally.
On a macro level though FO's just aren't that important, because even the best guys in the world only win it about 5-9% more of the time.
Perratrooper
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In the normal course of a game I agree that FOs are not that important but they are very important during PP, PK and at the end of periods especially the 3rd obviously. Just look at our PP and how often we first gain control in the O zone with 30 secs already gone because we lost the FO. The opposite is also true during our PP. Look at the great chance Vegas had with a few sec left in the game because we lost the FO after Mack's penalty.
It literally costs them crucial time on power plays nearly because nearly every time it gets iced after the initial faceoff. It has cost them goals (most notably that power play goal scored by Seabrook with less than ten seconds remaining on the kill). On a macro scale, yeah, it's not a huge deal, in fact as others have noted they were one of the best FO teams in the league during the Season of Fail, but it's just something that keeps tripping them up, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. Just find some way to address it.
AvsFan29
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Don't forget the number of times we couldn't get possession in OT, and lost.
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