Seth Jones' Future Part II: Jonesing for a trade? (Sportsnet reports he wants to test free agency)

[Toe Pick]

Friedman Seth Jones nugget:

3. Still hearing a lot of Philadelphia and Jones. The Flyers are definitely working at it.

Just don't know what the Flyers have to offer that would beat other teams. They would obviously offer the 13th overall and Patrick as part of packages but that just doesn't do a lot for me.

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[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Friedman CBJ Seth Jones nugget:



Just don't know what the Flyers have to offer that would beat other teams. They would obviously offer the 13th overall and Patrick as part of packages but that just doesn't do a lot for me.

Confident it'll be 13th + York + Patrick

Let's just see if we add or they add to it, because it's hard to evaluate Patrick

 

[MAHJ71]

Confident it'll be 13th + York + Patrick

Let's just see if we add or they add to it, because it's hard to evaluate Patrick

Hell no.. we better not be adding to it.

Philly needs to add to it.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Philly is hoping to move a salary in the expansion draft (Voracek for 3 years or JVR for 2 years).
They also need a 1A or 1B goalie to team up with Hart.
Philly is worried that Seattle's new coach prefers grinders to offensive talent, so perhaps if Seattle passes on Jake or JVR there is a deal to be had. Especially since Philly appears to have almost all of it's draft picks for next 3 years.

Maybe Jones and Korpi goes to Philly. I would even throw in a mid-level forward.
We take back 75% of salary of Jake (I am assuming here he harbors no ill will towards us trading him) and we take a #1 (maybe wait until 2022) and a 2md/3rd round pick. Then I would take a run at Nolan Patrick (RFA). He's never produced in the NHL but intriguing guy who plays Center.

Philly gets their dman and goalie (they have Hart that they hope is their guy long term) plus a cost controlled forward (TBD from our roster).
We get a good player in Jake, another project in Nolan and a #1 and #2/#3 pick. If Jake doesn't work out you can always flip him.

 

[DJA]

Philly is hoping to move a salary in the expansion draft (Voracek for 3 years or JVR for 2 years).
They also need a 1A or 1B goalie to team up with Hart.
Philly is worried that Seattle's new coach prefers grinders to offensive talent, so perhaps if Seattle passes on Jake or JVR there is a deal to be had. Especially since Philly appears to have almost all of it's draft picks for next 3 years.

Maybe Jones and Korpi goes to Philly. I would even throw in a mid-level forward.
We take back 75% of salary of Jake (I am assuming here he harbors no ill will towards us trading him) and we take a #1 (maybe wait until 2022) and a 2md/3rd round pick. Then I would take a run at Nolan Patrick (RFA). He's never produced in the NHL but intriguing guy who plays Center.

Philly gets their dman and goalie (they have Hart that they hope is their guy long term) plus a cost controlled forward (TBD from our roster).
We get a good player in Jake, another project in Nolan and a #1 and #2/#3 pick. If Jake doesn't work out you can always flip him.

Honestly, this makes me want to throw up.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Jarmo better make sure Philly pays a bit extra. We are (likely) back in the same division with the Flyers next season. Always make your divisional opponents pay more.

 

[Xoggz22]

Confident it'll be 13th + York + Patrick

Let's just see if we add or they add to it, because it's hard to evaluate Patrick

Not close to enough. Patrick is a reclamation project and it would likely need to be next year's 1st. Higher value. If we trading in division that adds a premium as well.

 

[Xoggz22]

Philly is hoping to move a salary in the expansion draft (Voracek for 3 years or JVR for 2 years).
They also need a 1A or 1B goalie to team up with Hart.
Philly is worried that Seattle's new coach prefers grinders to offensive talent, so perhaps if Seattle passes on Jake or JVR there is a deal to be had. Especially since Philly appears to have almost all of it's draft picks for next 3 years.

Maybe Jones and Korpi goes to Philly. I would even throw in a mid-level forward.
We take back 75% of salary of Jake (I am assuming here he harbors no ill will towards us trading him) and we take a #1 (maybe wait until 2022) and a 2md/3rd round pick. Then I would take a run at Nolan Patrick (RFA). He's never produced in the NHL but intriguing guy who plays Center.

Philly gets their dman and goalie (they have Hart that they hope is their guy long term) plus a cost controlled forward (TBD from our roster).
We get a good player in Jake, another project in Nolan and a #1 and #2/#3 pick. If Jake doesn't work out you can always flip him.

That's horrible. If i read this correctly, you're sending both Jones AND Korpi (two best trade chips) for an old, useless to CBJ voracek, a pick and a reclamation project. All within division? Are you a Flyers fan?

No point in taking Jake and if Philly needs to shed that costs compensation, not charity. Jones gets futures not 30 year olds and he brings in 3 pieces, good ones, alone. Maybe you brought Caleb on a separate deal and moving him with Korpi?

Really, this is a bad one

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Philly’s going to have to pay a stupidly high price if the want Jones. They just don’t have the high end pieces we’re going to want.

Konecny + Myers + Frost + 13th OA for Jones + Korpisalo

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Philly’s going to have to pay a stupidly high price if the want Jones. They just don’t have the high end pieces we’re going to want.

Konecny + Myers + Frost + 13th OA for Jones + Korpisalo

Thats more like it and if they want to be rid of Patrick then we’ll take him too but add nothing.

 

[JacketsDavid]

That's horrible. If i read this correctly, you're sending both Jones AND Korpi (two best trade chips) for an old, useless to CBJ voracek, a pick and a reclamation project. All within division? Are you a Flyers fan?

No point in taking Jake and if Philly needs to shed that costs compensation, not charity. Jones gets futures not 30 year olds and he brings in 3 pieces, good ones, alone. Maybe you brought Caleb on a separate deal and moving him with Korpi?

Really, this is a bad one

How much value to you think Korpi has? He's a below average NHL starter. If that is our 2nd best trade chip then we are screwed. There are always goalies available via free agency that potentially can be 1B guys. Korpi may be slightly better than that but not much.

Philly and most of these teams will need cap room for Jones. We're going to take someone back. I think you can bet on that. Maybe not Philly (and Jake or JVR) but LA, Colorado someone will have to send us back a salary to make Jones fit.

In this case I said Philly keeps 25% so we're paying Jake $6.2M. If you want immediately flip him (he does have some value to other teams especially if we then retain 25-50% of his salary in another deal) you can do that. My thought was keep him and if the young kids play him out of the top 6 then move him.

No I'm not a flyers fan.

 

[DJA]

How much value to you think Korpi has? He's a below average NHL starter. If that is our 2nd best trade chip then we are screwed. There are always goalies available via free agency that potentially can be 1B guys. Korpi may be slightly better than that but not much.

Philly and most of these teams will need cap room for Jones. We're going to take someone back. I think you can bet on that. Maybe not Philly (and Jake or JVR) but LA, Colorado someone will have to send us back a salary to make Jones fit.

In this case I said Philly keeps 25% so we're paying Jake $6.2M. If you want immediately flip him (he does have some value to other teams especially if we then retain 25-50% of his salary in another deal) you can do that. My thought was keep him and if the young kids play him out of the top 6 then move him.

No I'm not a flyers fan.

we’re not trading Jones to a division rival for an old cap dump and a first rounder. This post doesn’t make your initial proposal any better.

 

[VT]

Philly’s going to have to pay a stupidly high price if the want Jones. They just don’t have the high end pieces we’re going to want.

Konecny + Myers + Frost + 13th OA for Jones + Korpisalo

Except Korpi (I would still let him) I like your idea. But I think Philly wants to move Patrick and Gostisbehere (maybe Seattle would help) Besides if trade Konecny Flyers need RW. So IMHO more probably:
Jones, Bemstrom - Konecny, Patrick, Myers/Gostisbehere, 13 OA. Although I don't believe Philly would want to give its 1th round pick. And I wouldn't be happy from Gostisbehere, nobody knows Patrick's health conditions.

 

[Prongo]

I can tell you from the flyers fan perspective that York is almost surely not going to be in any deal with an impending free agent coming back. Fletcher even stated before he was almost untouchable.

I think they are just after Jones. Myers might be in the package due to the expansion draft. Other than that have no idea.

 

[MAHJ71]

I can tell you from the flyers fan perspective that York is almost surely not going to be in any deal with an impending free agent coming back. Fletcher even stated before he was almost untouchable.

I think they are just after Jones. Myers might be in the package due to the expansion draft. Other than that have no idea.

There is no Jones without York… about 99% of us CBJ fans on here see no fit with your team in a Jones trade unless you guys are prepared to pay massively.

 

[VT]

Without Konecny no trade IMHO. Btw I know it isn't inside.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Philly is definitely stupid enough to go all in on Seth Jones when they just need to rebuild. Nolan Patrick better be no where near a main piece other than "hey we dont want him anymore, take him as a throw in".

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Much like with every team right now, I don't assume anyone is making a Jones deal without an extension. If that's the case, Frost is in the deal. If he's not, then why are we even bothering talking about it.

I'm still not enthusiastic about this idea. But there's a lot of smoke

 

[majormajor]

There is no Jones without York…

I'm not sure if there is a trade fit with York either. Smallish LD is not one of our bigger positions of need. Not speaking to overall value and precise packages, but some pieces I'd be looking for are Frost (a center), the 1st, and Myers (a big RD).

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Without Konecny no trade IMHO. Btw I know it isn't inside.

My version of this was with York instead of Frost, so this one is a bit worse for us in my books, but it's still a pretty even trade imo.

With an extension Jarmo can get a bigger haul tho

 

[Crede777]

I can tell you from the flyers fan perspective that York is almost surely not going to be in any deal with an impending free agent coming back. Fletcher even stated before he was almost untouchable.

I think they are just after Jones. Myers might be in the package due to the expansion draft. Other than that have no idea.

If the Flyers are concerned that Jones won't extend and are only willing to offer a rental price, they will be outbid. There's at least one GM in this league who would believe that he can get Jones to extend and would offer such a price.

 

[MAHJ71]

I'm not sure if there is a trade fit with York either. Smallish LD is not one of our bigger positions of need. Not speaking to overall value and precise packages, but some pieces I'd be looking for are Frost (a center), the 1st, and Myers (a big RD).

I’ve been on the record since the Philly talk started that no deal with them excites me .. at all. I don’t particularly care for any of their prospects.

 

[VT]

My version of this was with York instead of Frost, so this one is a bit worse for us in my books, but it's still a pretty even trade imo.

With an extension Jarmo can get a bigger haul tho

Forget about York and probably Frost. IMHO they would want to trade Patrick (he wants to leave Philly), probably Gostisbehere (salary cup). Simply, we'll see where Jones will be traded. But if Philly IMHO without Konecny no trade.

 

[Toe Pick]

Several teams have expressed interest in Jones, with the Flyers certainly leading the charge. It is believed the Calgary Flames, Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers and Winnipeg Jets have also inquired, at some point, on Jones’ availability.

It is unclear what type of package the Blue Jackets are asking for in return for Jones, who can become an unrestricted free agent July 1, 2022. It’s also unknown if the Blue Jackets would grant a team permission to work out a contract extension with him prior to a trade being finalized.

Jones is not eligible to sign an extension until July 28.
The Flyers might be interest in moving defenceman Travis Sanheim as part of a package for Jones. Sanheim is a pending restricted free agent.

Flyers forwards Travis Konecny, Morgan Frost and Nolan Patrick were dangled as trade bait this season and could also be included in a deal for Jones, should the Flyers and Blue Jackets agree to terms on a deal.

The Fourth Period

Surprised not to see LA mentioned.

 

[DJA]

The Fourth Period

Surprised not to see LA mentioned.

I could live with all of those guys from the Flyers being included, along with their first. We could send back something else to balance if needed. We need as many warm bodies as possible to increase our chances of striking gold somewhere.