Sergachev vs Drouin

Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by KevSkillz4, Feb 8, 2019.

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Who you take going forward ?

  1. Mikhail Sergachev

    42.0%
  2. Jonathan Drouin

    58.0%
  1. Ainec

    Ainec Tom Wilson'd by the league (HF)

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    Surprised Drouin is winning

    Sergachev for me. Hard to find a young dmen with potential in this league. I'd take a Ristolainen lite dmen over a top line LW unless that LW is elite
     
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    Myers, Phaneuf and other Dmen experienced their best offensive years in their first year and then trailed off.

    Sergachev's first NHL season doesn't mean it's an indicator as to what type of Dman he will be and his ability to put up points.

    I think this thread is somewhat a shot at those who were all over the trade stating how much Montreal lost this trade/ Sergachev was better. Now, those people aren't around. Surprise, surprise. Tampa won last year, Montreal won this year, let's wait and see how things are 5 years after the trade ?

    And yes, while Sergachev is younger, he came to Tampa Bay with, what appeared to be very little pressure and motivation to prove Montreal wrong. Drouin came to Montreal, an offensively starved team looking to him to be a catalyst, while being from the area. Seems like the pressure that would have been on each player isn't being brought up as a factor ?

    I'm not sure how, for Montreal to win, Sergachev needs to seriously fail.

    A 50ish point winger for a dman who puts up 25-30 points seems like a pretty good deal for both teams and can easily come off as a win for both ? This deal seems to be trending that way, which is odd, as usually there's a clear winner and a clear loser.
     
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    You can't use trends like this. You can go ahead and ask Marchand or Wheeler how they feel about forwards peaking around 24-25. Drouin's looking to be having an upwards surge right now.
     
  4. Karl Eriksson

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    Hard to compare them. Serge for me.
     
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    Are you sure you read that first sentence correctly?
     
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    too early, Dmen take time to develop..... Hedman took 4-5 years
     
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    This is just low key bashing sergachev. One is a one-dimensional winger, the other is a defenseman.
     
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    MordredGK Let loose the Goose

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    Any Hab fan that says they wouldn't want a mulligan on the trade is a liar.
     
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    Right now, Drouin.
    In the future, I don't know.
     
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    This is the correct answer ^^
     
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    You do know that Hedman and Sergachev are different players, right?

    Unless you think I meant offensive production when I said performance. Which I clearly didn't.

    Man, you do love your strawmen. I never even said (or believe) that Montreal won the trade. Just that your assertion that Tampa wins the trade regardless of whether Drouin is a better player for the next few years is wrong. Hell, I like Sergachev. I think he's a better player than what he's shown this year.

    I'll make my point simpler so you can understand it. Teams become contenders by assembling a lot of talent under the cap limit. This is greatly helped by acquiring and signing good players before they breakout, or by getting good young players when their salary is limited by their rookie contract or RFA status. In that context, for the team, a player's high performance in his early-mid 20s is more valuable than high performance in his late 20s, at which point he'll be able to bolt to another team or ask for a huge contract that will hamper the team's ability to sign other good players. Regardless of whether he's a forward or a Dman.

    Tampa may very well win the trade, but for that Sergachev needs to be better than the sheltered offensive Dman he is now. And that has to happen earlier than in 5-6 years (especially since Tampa are right in the middle of their cup window).
     
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    FYI Sergachev can play both sides, he played RD in juniors. Even in the 9 games he played in Mtl he played RD. His struggles aren't because he is playing a "new" position.
     
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    Recentcy bias pick for me is Drouin, and I was furious with the trade at the time.

    Sergachev can absolutely reverse the trend, but his lack of hockey IQ has always concerned me.
     
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    ForrestHabsGump Habs 2019 cup champ

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    Drouin if he keep playing like a superstar since 2 games.
     
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    I wouldn't.;)
     
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    Before his recent 4-3-6-9 plus 6 run would any Habs fan really put up this poll?

    Sergachev is 3 years younger and already given hints that he is the right answer for this poll.
     
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    MordredGK Let loose the Goose

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    You do know that you constantly use the word "performance" in exactly this way "I clearly did not" (c)you, do you? :sarcasm:

    "You do know that Hedman and Sergachev are different players, right?"
    Well, to answer this question, you actually need to read my message. That very 1st message you chose to answer.

    Well, it looks like I don't really need to argue with you. You are very successfully doing it for me by arguing with yourself in your every message.
     
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    Are you sure that you actually read that whole discussion? Rhetorical question. You clearly did not.

    Let me help you. Its here Sergachev vs Drouin (Link to the message that you did not read)
     
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    Huh? You literally just contradicted yourself.

    And putting that aside, regarding your output during cost-controlled years argument, Sergachev already has scored playoff goals, including a game winner. So Tampa is pretty happy with the output thus far, and sees a bright future for a player who plays a harder position to slot on a competitive roster.
     
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    He played both in Junior. Drouin played Center in Junior too ... how did that translate? Fact is, Sergachev played primarily LD last year while this year he is playing primarily RD and the results are what they are. Sergachev plays better on the left side, fact. When Coburn leaves as a free agent next year Sergachev will go back back to the left side and we can do comparables again.
     
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    I think 10 years from now we'll forget about this trade because it'll be viewed as pretty fair.
     
  23. DominicBoltsFan

    DominicBoltsFan Here I am, composing a burlesque

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    Serg has better results this year than last idk what anyone saying the opposite is thinking. He’s better on the right side.
     
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    Where do you get that from? His offensive production is way down and has been pretty much our worst defenseman at actually playing defense.
     
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