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Sergachev vs Drouin

Who you take going forward ?

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Even though Drouin has been much better this year (plays his natural position now) I'd still rather have Sergachev on the Habs. We have a huge hole on LD and god knows what Serg's upside is, he would probably be the answer there.
 
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Right now Drouin is way ahead. He is an established impact NHLer, and currently #13 in points for a LW, so top line #s.

Sergachev's situation is a bit more complicated. It's debatable he should even be in the NHL at this point, getting very low minutes. But he does contribute on the score sheet and I guess management prefers he get NHL competition even if it's limited over bigger minutes and role in the minors. I would say he is basically still a prospect, and he certainly has a long way to go before you pencil him in as a top 4 D let alone top pairing and it's possible he never figures out the defensive aspect well enough to be more than a PP specialist, which is still something but not quite as much as a lot of people would hope.

So given all that, Drouin has a lot more value than Sergachev but people have to remember this was never an even value trade, it only happened because of the expansion draft. Bergevin was one of the few GMs in a position to take on a new protected contract before the draft, and willing to deal futures. Yzerman needed to unload a contract so it wasn't really Drouin for Sergachev straight up, it was Drouin for Segachev + Killorn (who he was now able to protect after the trade)
 
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Jack Skellington said:
Well the defenseman is bad at defense and only gets the points he does because he plays on a ridiculously stacked team so maybe they are
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For real. Sergachev still has a lot of potential but he just hasn’t been anywhere near great this season. It’s crazy how Bergevin’s universally blasted choices are increasingly looking better and better.

Kotkaniemi at 3? That’s a definite plus. Kid’s only 18 and already an adequate 2C and getting visibly better every week.

Drouin for Sergachev? JD’s confidence is growing exponentially this season and it’s showing on the ice; he looks like the dominant player he was in the Q and is bringing intensity to one of the absolute top skill sets in the entire league, while Sergachev is still finding his way.

Price contract? Worthwhile if not ideal if he can play like the best goalie in hockey he is.

Subban-Weber deal? Hard to decide for certain, but Weber fits the team perfectly and has shown no sign of slowing down. He’ll bring positive value for the entirety of his monster contract, I’m sure.

Danault pick up? Looks amazing right now, offsets the Shaw deal.

If they could only make Alzner disappear...
 
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Sergachev has played on the right side all year because ... stacked at LD. Last year Sergachev played on the left side with Stralman and had a great season. Now Sergachev is playing on his wrong side and with Coburn as his partner. How did Drouin look playing at his wrong position last year?

Also, Drouin has like 9 points in his last 3 games. If you made this same poll 3 games ago ... Drouin is a huge minus player and like 35 points in 50+ games getting first line winger minutes. That looks pretty bad.

Glad Montreal is happy with Drouin ... Tampa would do trade again for sure.
 
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Serg is very shletred in his two years with Tampa. Still quite sheltered but better this year.

Going forward its tough. Sergy could really exploud in the next few years vs we know what Drouin is.

I'd take Drouin to be safe but on the leafs I'd take Sergy.
 

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HavocWreaker said:
Serg is very shletred in his two years with Tampa. Still quite sheltered but better this year.

Going forward its tough. Sergy could really exploud in the next few years vs we know what Drouin is.

I'd take Drouin to be safe but on the leafs I'd take Sergy.
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We don't know what Drouin is. He could explode for 90+ points next year. His ceilling is insane but he took years to mature
 
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We don't know what Drouin is. He could explode for 90+ points next year. His ceilling is insane but he took years to mature
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I mean possibly but he's almost 24 could be more of a late bloomer I suppose.

I just don't see that realistically. But you never know.
 
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BrendanGallagher11 said:
Wow good time for a poll
Drouin coming off his best game of the season
Lol
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Even without last nights game, as much as Sergachev was clearly better last season, Drouin has been much better this season.

Now of course ou have to consider that a 2nd year D is more likely to have inconsistencies in form compared to a 24 yr old forward, but if Sergachev was having the season he’s having in Tampa as a Hab this year, Habs fans would be calling it a waste of a 7th overall pick.
 

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Drouin was playing poorly for most of this season. However, he's been on fire the last 3-4 games. Let's wait a little bit longer before deciding on the trade. Saying this, he has really impressed me recently.
 
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Sergachev. Unlike Drouin who is already 23 (forward's peak is around 24-25 ) and in his 5th season, he is only 20, in his 2nd season and far away from his peak (D-men's peak is around 26-27).

The comparison between forward's and defenseman's production is nonsense.

Hedman has 35 points. Drouin has 46 points. 46 > 35.
According to some posters here it means:
1) Drouin is better than Hedman.
2) Hedman should play in AHL.

To make this deal a win for Montreal Sergachev should seriously fail during the next 6-7 years. Which is highly unlikely, since his offensive talent level is already well known and tested in NHL.
 
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Hint1k said:
Sergachev. Unlike Drouin who is already 23 (forward's peak is around 24-25 ) and in his 5th season, he is only 20, in his 2nd season and far away from his peak (D-men's peak is around 26-27).

The comparison between forward's and defenseman's production is nonsense.

Hedman has 35 points. Drouin has 46 points. 46 > 35.
According to some posters here it means:
1) Drouin is better than Hedman.
2) Hedman should play in AHL.

To make this deal a win for Montreal Sergachev should seriously fail during the next 6-7 years. Which is highly unlikely, since his offensive talent level is already well known and tested in NHL.
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If Sergachev doesn't surpass Drouin in performance before he's 26-27, by which point Sergachev will be a UFA, Montreal will have definitely won that trade. In that context, it doesn't really matter who's the better player at their peak. What matters is which team got the most out of their early, underpaid years.

Plus, that Hedman thing is a strawman. Nobody has ever argued that Drouin is a better player than Hedman, or even close in any way, shape or form. Or that points is the only thing that matters. But it would be hard to make the case that Sergachev has been a better player this year.
 
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SympathyForTheDevils said:
If Sergachev doesn't surpass Drouin in performance before he's 26-27, by which point Sergachev will be a UFA, Montreal will have definitely won that trade. In that context, it doesn't really matter who's the better player at their peak. What matters is which team got the most out of their early, underpaid years.

Plus, that Hedman thing is a strawman. Nobody has ever argued that Drouin is a better player than Hedman, or even close in any way, shape or form. Or that points is the only thing that matters. But it would be hard to make the case that Sergachev has been a better player this year.
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"Nobody has ever argued that Drouin is a better player than Hedman"
You literally just did by using the phrase:
"If Sergachev doesn't surpass Drouin in performance"
As well as other posters did before you.

"it would be hard to make the case that Sergachev has been a better player this year"
This topic literally named "going forward" (c) topic starter

"What matters is which team got the most out of their early, underpaid years"
Have you just invented this? It's a rhetorical question.

Well, now is my turn to invent something.

Your whole message is essentially: "Montreal won this trade, cause I said so. To make it look well supported and important I put some nonsense that have no connection with the discussion, some contradictions to myself and some "facts" I have just invented. I hope no one will read it anyway".

Well, I read it. And it looks exactly like this^
 
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