Confirmed with Link: Sens acquire Callahan + pick for Condon + pick

[Engineer]

Callahan is on LTIR. We did not directly help Tampa with cap space. We actually sent cap to Tampa. From Tampa's end, this trade had more to do with off-season flexibility regarding resigning their RFA's than us taking raw cap space from them (like the Marleau trade to Carolina, which netted them a nice return). You're refusing to acknowledge the idea that Tampa might actually prefer to pay salary dollars towards Condon instead of paying a draft pick.

You have no understanding of LTIR, and everything you stated is wrong.

 

[branch]

Callahan is on LTIR. We did not directly help Tampa with cap space. We actually sent cap to Tampa. From Tampa's end, this trade had more to do with off-season flexibility regarding resigning their RFA's than us taking raw cap space from them (like the Marleau trade to Carolina, which netted them a nice return). You're refusing to acknowledge the idea that Tampa might actually prefer to pay salary dollars towards Condon instead of paying a draft pick.

LTIR counts towards the cap

Callahan's cap hit is $5.8M
Condon's cap hit is $2.4M

Please tell us again how we "sent cap" to Tampa.

Because it looks to me by using the powers of simple arithmetic, that we actually relieved Tampa's cap problem by $3.4M at the cost of whatever the difference is between 10 draft positions in the 5th and 6th rounds. Actually it looks more and more look they did us the favour lmao. Since the LTIR is insurable meaning we won't have to actually pay Callahan, but they will have to pay Condon.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

It would have been nice if El Cheapo took the savings with the Smith and this Condon trade and approved using it on the buyout of Marleau. Would have been close to even money and we'd have a 1st to go with it.

 

[branch]

It would have been nice if El Cheapo took the savings with the Smith and this Condon trade and approved using it on the buyout of Marleau. Would have been close to even money and we'd have a 1st to go with it.

That would require a GM with abilities in foresight and strategic thinking.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

I miss when Ottawa made trades that were meant to improve the team and not just acquiring contracts that have a higher cap hit than actual salary

Sell the team you miserable ghoul

 

[GrantLemons]

That would require a GM with abilities in foresight and strategic thinking.

Put some respek on Dorion's name. The Brassard deal was a stroke of sheer f***ing genius. It doesn't matter what else he's done, that one deal makes up for all of it and then some.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

That would require a GM with abilities in foresight and strategic thinking.

Even if the GM had insight and coordinated all of it, it would never be approved by Melnyk. I ain't putting that PD when regardless of who the GM was, it wouldn't have happened.

This really shows that Melnyk needs to gtfo. An owner that would have taken on Marleau and didn't require the GM to shed condon's salary could have picked up some nice assets.

 

[Acidrain66]

Wow!

Talk about getting behind your team.

This was a nothing trade.

Let’s bring out the pitchforks and march on down to the CTC in September to show the prospects our support?

You mean the ones that leave the team for greener pastures??

 

[BatherSeason]

But they won't go as far as to continually lie and misrepresent things like many here do.

But Melnyk and Dorion lie more than anyone else in here.

 

[supsens]

1. Condon may not be getting a better situation; McElhinney is certainly expected to play ahead of him in the NHL, and they already have 3 other minor league goalies under contract for next year in Domingue, Martin, and Wedgewood. If two of them outperform him, he's in the exact same situation as in Ottawa and would have to OK a loan to an ECHL team, or other non AHL/NHL team.
2. A logjam implies we have to play him, we don't.
3. If the insurance is not retroactive (which would be the most likely scenario) we do not save any money when compared with buying out Condon.
4. At the opportunity cost of making a different trade; there were likely better ways to do so and the difference between a 5th and 6th is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things
5. see point 3, we probably could have saved more by buying out Condon, but whatever.

I appreciate people wanting to put a positive spin on this trade, but frankly it looks far more like spinning our tires to me. Condon should have been bought out when we had the chance. Now we are paying the price to get rid of him instead of being paid to take on an LTIRetired contract.

Moving up a couple spots in the draft is “paying the price” to get rid of a bad contract?
The overboard fake outrage is full out today

 

[swiftwin]

LTIR counts towards the cap

Callahan's cap hit is $5.8M
Condon's cap hit is $2.4M

Please tell us again how we "sent cap" to Tampa

Because Callahan is on LTIR, his cap hit becomes cap relief when they go above the cap. Therefore, an LTIR'ed player's perceived negative value due to a high cap is nowhere near as bad as a healthy player's negative value due to a high cap. Tampa is taking 1.25 in cap hit no matter what, where as Callahan's cap could dissapear in the form of cap relief. That's why Marleau and Datsyuk can fetch a 1st round pick (because they were healthy), but other LTIR "dumps" returned very little. A comparable trade to the one we just did would be the Horton/Clarkson trade.

I know you know this, but you're just here to argue semantics and misrepresent things.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Maybe he's lowering the cost so he can sell the club at a higher profit.

/blind optimism.

 

[BatherSeason]

Anisimov

Anisimov is a 200 foot player you know...lol

 

[branch]

Moving up a couple spots in the draft is “paying the price” to get rid of a bad contract?
The overboard fake outrage is full out today

No one is outraged people are just pointing out, yet again, how dumb this team is. This is just you trying to create a strawman again like you always do, yet for some reason you are greenlit to do so. Very strange.

 

[supsens]

But Melnyk and Dorion lie more than anyone else in here.

Melnyk told everyone he wasn’t going to spend his personal money on the team and he told everyone a full rebuild was on the way.
What did he lie about?

 

[branch]

Because Callahan is on LTIR, his cap hit becomes cap relief when they go above the cap. Therefore, an LTIR'ed player's perceived negative value due to a high cap is nowhere near as bad as a healthy player's negative value due to a high cap. That's why Marleau and Datsyuk can fetch a 1st round pick (because they were healthy), but other LTIR "dumps" returned very little. A comparable trade to the one we just did would be the Horton/Clarkson trade.

I know you know this, but you're just here to argue semantics and misrepresent things.

That's only offseason swifty.

 

[supsens]

No one is outraged people are just pointing out, yet again, how dumb this team is.

They got paid for a bad contract that no team wants, how is that dumb?

 

[branch]

Melnyk told everyone he wasn’t going to spend his personal money on the team and he told everyone a full rebuild was on the way.
What did he lie about?

Lol

 

[Engineer]

Tampa is taking 1.25 in cap hit no matter what, where as Callahan's cap could dissapear in the form of cap relief. .

Simply wrong.

 

[branch]

They got paid for a bad contract that no team wants, how is that dumb?

Lol...they got paid what? It looks more like TBL got paid by us tbh so we could weasel out of paying actual money to yet another player.

 

[swiftwin]

No one is outraged people are just pointing out, yet again, how dumb this team is. This is just you trying to create a strawman again like you always do, yet for some reason you are greenlit to do so. Very strange.

How dumb they are to get another team to pay for a player they don't want anymore? And we get a better draft pick in the process?

 

[BatherSeason]

Melnyk told everyone he wasn’t going to spend his personal money on the team and he told everyone a full rebuild was on the way.

Pretty soon he is going to be pocketing the money from every ticket sold too, especially since the payroll is covered with the TV contract alone. So, instead of spending his own personal money, he will just pocket money from the fans. Seems fair.

 

[branch]

How dumb they are to get another team to pay for a player they don't want anymore? And we get a better draft pick in the process?

It goes both ways. We did them a favour.

 

[supsens]

Lol

He laughed?

 

[swiftwin]

It goes both ways. We did them a favour.

You mean we made a trade where both teams got what they wanted??? SHOCKING!