GDT: Senators @ Devils - 7:00 PM - MSG

[Guttersniped]

Yeah, and @Guadana felt the same way and deserves equal credit on Jake Sanderson.

The stat-obsessed draft "analysts" normally had Sanderson as a pick in the 10-20 range, which has to count as an epic argument against their assessment of amateur defensemen. Sanderson was pretty clearly the cream of the crop for 2020 defenders, and only Drysdale was close (thought Sanderson has widened the gap since the draft).

I don’t know if that’s completely true, Sanderson began lower before the season started but he changed a lot people’s perceptions of him by the second half of his season. He was a big late riser, which isn’t uncommon among defenseman.

I switched from Team Drydale to Team Sanderson pretty late in the game pre-draft. (We had a lot of time to talk about those two, the off-season was twice as long lol.)

It definitely wasn’t a surprise he was gone before we picked *sob*.

Even more so when it came out after the draft that Anaheim was planning on taking either defensemen at #6 if only one was left.

It was a longer shot for us to luck out and have the small Rossi (#9), boom-or-busty Perfetti (#10), or a goalie/Askarov (#11) get picked before us.

I was hoping that would somehow happen and Raymond or defenseman would make it to #7 but nope.

I really wanted to win the 3rd pick, Stützle was the only top player I was interested in.

I would have traded down for Jarvis at the time but I admit being agnostic on Quinn and wary of Perfetti (who I saw as very boom-or-bust). I was shocked we didn’t take Rossi (and more shocks awaited me in that draft lol).

 

[Devs3cups]

I just want to get League Average goaltending.

Can Akira provide that until (hopefully) Vitek comes back?

Well..we're about to find out.

BTW, the Yotes are playing better than their record indicates as they did us a solid and blanked the Isles 2-0.

Hope the Devils and Akira find a way to get a "W" in that game.

Coyotes are 23rd in GA, 27th in GF, 31st in CF%, 31st in shots for, 25th in shots against, 31st in SCF%, last in HDCF%.

You are definitely right that you don’t want to underestimate any oponent, but the Coyotes aren’t playing better than their record based off of most metrics. In fact, they have 8 goals over their xGF (37 GF/29.22 xGF), which would indicate they’ve benefited from bad goaltending. If we play our game as we know we can, we should beat them.

But, as you said, you don’t want to take any opponent for granted, regardless of their record.

 

[Guttersniped]

Coyotes are 23rd in GA, 27th in GF, 31st in CF%, 31st in shots for, 25th in shots against, 31st in SCF%, last in HDCF%.

You are definitely right that you don’t want to underestimate any oponent, but the Coyotes aren’t playing better than their record based off of most metrics. In fact, they have 8 goals over their xGF (37 GF/29.22 xGF), which would indicate they’ve benefited from bad goaltending. If we play our game as we know we can, we should beat them.

But, as you said, you don’t want to take any opponent for granted, regardless of their record.

This helps:

 

[StevenToddIves]

I don’t know if that’s completely true, Sanderson began lower before the season started but he changed a lot people’s perceptions of him by the second half of his season. He was a big late riser, which isn’t uncommon among defenseman.

I switched from Team Drydale to Team Sanderson pretty late in the game pre-draft. (We had a lot of time to talk about those two, the off-season was twice as long lol.)

It definitely wasn’t a surprise he was gone before we picked *sob*.

Even more so when it came out after the draft that Anaheim was planning on taking either defensemen at #6 if only one was left.

It was a longer shot for us to luck out and have the small Rossi (#9), boom-or-busty Perfetti (#10), or a goalie/Askarov (#11) get picked before us.

I was hoping that would somehow happen and Raymond or defenseman would make it to #7 but nope.

I really wanted to win the 3rd pick, Stützle was the only top player I was interested in.

I would have traded down for Jarvis at the time but I admit being agnostic on Quinn and wary of Perfetti (who I saw as very boom-or-bust). I was shocked we didn’t take Rossi (and more shocks awaited me in that draft lol).

Since you have the best memory on Planet Earth, you probably recall a lot of Devils fans on the HFBoards being terrified the Devils were going to *make a huge mistake* and draft Sanderson at #7 overall in 2020, while @Guadana and I were extremely confident Sanderson would be long gone by #7 overall. Of course, the same fans who thought we were crazy for thinking Sanderson would be drafted so early likely follow some pretty inaccurate, stat-obsessed draft writers like Bader, Scouching and Wheeler -- all of whom sorely understated Sanderson's obvious talent simply due to out-of-context data.

As it happened of course, Ottawa snatched up Sanderson at #5. If they had not, I strongly believe Anaheim would have taken him over Drysdale at #6. Sanderson simply had no chance of reaching New Jersey at #7, and as I've been saying, in a 2020 re-draft he probably warrants going #1 overall.

At the time we took Holtz, you'll also certainly recall (best memory on Earth) I was not unhappy with the pick, though I would have preferred Rossi or Seth Jarvis. Rossi was my #4 overall, but I knew we had Hughes and Nico at center so I may have leaned towards Jarvis, whom I had as the #1 RW in the 2020 class (#8 overall), ahead of Holtz and Quinn. I'm a huge fan of Jarvis and think he's bound for stardom, but I'm also still content with the pick of Holtz, who has 30+ goal potential with NJ if he's not traded at the deadline to acquire a Meier or Tarasenko or whomever.

 

[bicboi64]

Good games Devils fans, y'all picked a part our team and it was nice to see a roster that is actually showing up to play. Saw more hustle from guys that I thought were huge risks in signing deals (Siegenthaler) than our $8 million dollar per year leader Chabot.

John Marino was an absolute stud for y'all and I really wish the Sens had overpaid for him. Hope y'all enjoy your team, they're really fun to watch

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Good games Devils fans, y'all picked a part our team and it was nice to see a roster that is actually showing up to play. Saw more hustle from guys that I thought were huge risks in signing deals (Siegenthaler) than our $8 million dollar per year leader Chabot.

John Marino was an absolute stud for y'all and I really wish the Sens had overpaid for him. Hope y'all enjoy your team, they're really fun to watch

The Sens are on their way as well too man, Jake Sanderson is an absolute demon. His assist on the powerplay was amazing and set up that goal. A lot of times in that game, I was thinking to myself that no way the Senators can be this bad record wise but I noticed a lot of mistakes that the Devils made last year creeping in their game. You guys could next year's version of us right now if the defense gets solidified a bit more, the forwards are absolutely lethal and even Forsberg was tremendous tonight. Hopefully we get a 03'/07' playoff rematch soon.

 

[Bleedred]

Coyotes are 23rd in GA, 27th in GF, 31st in CF%, 31st in shots for, 25th in shots against, 31st in SCF%, last in HDCF%.

You are definitely right that you don’t want to underestimate any oponent, but the Coyotes aren’t playing better than their record based off of most metrics. In fact, they have 8 goals over their xGF (37 GF/29.22 xGF), which would indicate they’ve benefited from bad goaltending. If we play our game as we know we can, we should beat them.

But, as you said, you don’t want to take any opponent for granted, regardless of their record.

I’m gonna be so annoyed if they break the streak.

I’m already sick and tired of hearing “But they are a hard working team. They’ve shown that they will not be out worked!”.

Like what did you expect them to go 0-82? Or single digits in wins? They’re a hard working team because they actually win games sometimes and aren’t on pace for the worst record every? The Hawks were winning a decent amount at the start of the year too.

 

[Guttersniped]

Since you have the best memory on Planet Earth, you probably recall a lot of Devils fans on the HFBoards being terrified the Devils were going to *make a huge mistake* and draft Sanderson at #7 overall in 2020, while @Guadana and I were extremely confident Sanderson would be long gone by #7 overall. Of course, the same fans who thought we were crazy for thinking Sanderson would be drafted so early likely follow some pretty inaccurate, stat-obsessed draft writers like Bader, Scouching and Wheeler -- all of whom sorely understated Sanderson's obvious talent simply due to out-of-context data.

As it happened of course, Ottawa snatched up Sanderson at #5. If they had not, I strongly believe Anaheim would have taken him over Drysdale at #6. Sanderson simply had no chance of reaching New Jersey at #7, and as I've been saying, in a 2020 re-draft he probably warrants going #1 overall.

At the time we took Holtz, you'll also certainly recall (best memory on Earth) I was not unhappy with the pick, though I would have preferred Rossi or Seth Jarvis. Rossi was my #4 overall, but I knew we had Hughes and Nico at center so I may have leaned towards Jarvis, whom I had as the #1 RW in the 2020 class (#8 overall), ahead of Holtz and Quinn. I'm a huge fan of Jarvis and think he's bound for stardom, but I'm also still content with the pick of Holtz, who has 30+ goal potential with NJ if he's not traded at the deadline to acquire a Meier or Tarasenko or whomever.

Jarvis wasn’t likely going that early because of his size, though you never know. We had an offer to trade down, but I don’t know if who was trying to move up came out. Rossi was a shocker to me when he fell to 9th but, again size.

@Brodeur is the poster who seemingly remembers all events at every draft, in case you want to know what kind of sandwich Brian Burke ate at the 2010 Draft or every draft day trade or almost trade ever.

My brain is half melted, I mostly remember hoping the dumb rumors about Detroit taking Perfetti were true. Things did not go our way that draft lol (other than Mercer).

 

[Guttersniped]

Good games Devils fans, y'all picked a part our team and it was nice to see a roster that is actually showing up to play. Saw more hustle from guys that I thought were huge risks in signing deals (Siegenthaler) than our $8 million dollar per year leader Chabot.

John Marino was an absolute stud for y'all and I really wish the Sens had overpaid for him. Hope y'all enjoy your team, they're really fun to watch

Pinto is ridiculous, just filthy. A fun player there, would love to have him on the Devils.

 

[Brodeur]

@Brodeur is the poster who seemingly remembers all events at every draft, in case you want to know what kind of sandwich Brian Burke ate at the 2010 Draft or every draft day trade or almost trade ever.

I actually have a couple of fond memories of Brian Burke at the 2010 Draft.

In round 3, I spotted Burke/Nonis having a conversation with a very animated Dean Lombardi. Since it was by Central Registry, I thought a big trade (Tomas Kaberle) was about to go down. But it ended up being a more insignificant one. LA traded a 3rd rounder (#79) to Toronto for a 2012 3rd. Through some other intel, I think LA wanted to draft Radko Gudas who they had at their previous summer prospect camp as an undrafted invite. Gudas had a good year in the WHL afterwards. Tampa took him #66.

And then in the fourth round, I spotted Brian Burke walking table to table shopping Toronto's 4th rounder (#112). Eventually he found a taker with Washington who traded up for Philipp Grubauer.

Might have been a 'you had to be there' moment, but there was something comical about Burke walking up to a table and asking "you want my 4th?", getting turned down, and proceeding to the next table.

 

[glenwo2]

Coyotes are 23rd in GA, 27th in GF, 31st in CF%, 31st in shots for, 25th in shots against, 31st in SCF%, last in HDCF%.

You are definitely right that you don’t want to underestimate any oponent, but the Coyotes aren’t playing better than their record based off of most metrics. In fact, they have 8 goals over their xGF (37 GF/29.22 xGF), which would indicate they’ve benefited from bad goaltending. If we play our game as we know we can, we should beat them.

But, as you said, you don’t want to take any opponent for granted, regardless of their record.

And this is the conundrum here :

Will the Akira we saw in OT be the Akira we will see in that game?

If so, then the Devils shouldn't have all that much of a problem handling the Yotes.

Otherwise, the Coyotes may "benefit" against us this time.

 

[13BearerOfHope]

When the messiah plays - people are converted

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

They are not ready but they have good depth. And Thompson 1.2 is very good.

It isn't about not being ready. Ottawa clearly isn't ready yet, but they have so much more talent than Buffalo imo.

 

[TBF1972]

NHL goalies when Dougie be shootin pucks

screener when pk was shooting

Who?

the new leader of china

 

[TBF1972]

He disappeared in I think February of 2019. Probably not voluntarily.

florida man?

 

[StevenToddIves]

Jarvis wasn’t likely going that early because of his size, though you never know. We had an offer to trade down, but I don’t know if who was trying to move up came out. Rossi was a shocker to me when he fell to 9th but, again size.

@Brodeur is the poster who seemingly remembers all events at every draft, in case you want to know what kind of sandwich Brian Burke ate at the 2010 Draft or every draft day trade or almost trade ever.

My brain is half melted, I mostly remember hoping the dumb rumors about Detroit taking Perfetti were true. Things did not go our way that draft lol (other than Mercer).

I'm actually curious about what sandwich Brian Burke ate at the 2010 draft. I actually hung out with Brian's son Patrick at the draft a few years later, but I'm pretty sure Patrick wasn't eating a sandwich.

 

[TBF1972]

Think it’s time to pull the trigger on a Nico sweater

hammondween or thanksgillies?

let's wait for blackwood friday!

 

[TBF1972]

Can we only play Canadian teams from now on?

i wouldn't mind, if the rangers would get relocated to dawson, yukon.

 

[TBF1972]

We might as well be the British monarchy with how we're owning Canada. Not like there's a different between Devils and the British monarchy anyway

@Guttersniped is our lady di

but hey, i am not prince andrew

Detroit and Ottawa both look like really promising young teams, along with the devils. Gunna be 3 really strong teams up and coming soon in the east.

give buffalo a honorable mention in case @sabremike is lurking.

 

[markog]

Nico has 8 goals and 8 assists in 13 games and he's playing Selke level defense. He's playing like a legit superstar

In 12 games, he missed the first game - injury prone.

 

[swissexpert]

And this is the conundrum here :

Will the Akira we saw in OT be the Akira we will see in that game?

If so, then the Devils shouldn't have all that much of a problem handling the Yotes.

Otherwise, the Coyotes may "benefit" against us this time.

I think that sequence was a fantastic emergency performance but some spectacular saves over 10mins don't make a good goalie, see Elvis.

We can't expect him to stand on his head but we also don't need him to, the way this team is controlling games these days.

I guess Akira had a good start yesterday and should provide capable NHL goaltending since he's at the top AHL level. Last year was very difficult and shouldn't be too concerning, starting only 4 games behind that dumpster fire defense.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Wasn't our best game but we still were the better team and pulled a win despite some crazy scenarios (Schmid/4 on 2 PK in ot). This team is learning how to win games and its been fun to watch.

 

[Guadana]

Yeah, it's tough for me to root against players I pumped for the draft. I mean, I despise Carolina, but it's tough to wish anything but the best for guys I lauded all through their draft years like Jarvis, Necas, Pesce and Svechnikov.

Speaking of which, anyone remember when I said this off-season the Devils would be better off making a lesser deal for Necas (who was reputedly available) than a cataclysmic deal for Fiala or DeBrincat? So far:

Fiala: 3g 11a 14p
DeBrincat: 2g 9a 11p
Necas: 7g 12a 19p

Don't tell about Carolina. Everybody blame some little politician on elections, but I believe they should ask from Carolina. They definitely have some connections with mafia.

I'm glad we didn't trade for Fiala and DeBrinkat. We can literally see what kind of job Tatar is making to help Nico to be very productive. We just need better player who can do the same job better or on elite level.

I think Necas was not available. I think he was as "available" as Bratt.

 

[Guadana]

I want them to do better so all top 5 picks end up in the West lol.

I'm in. They can't lose so much with this roster. Coyotes should start to lose points.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

Can we only play Canadian teams from now on?

We are at a point in our schedule where we are playing 10 Canadian teams in 11 games.