Post-Game Talk: Senators def. Canucks - 4-3 (SO) (Miller, Boeser, Dermott)

[platotld]

The Stutzle/Norris/Tkachuk combo is a pretty lethal one for Ottawa. Win or lose, they find ways to get pucks into the net. Shutting them down / minimizing their impact is going to be huge.

Big question heading into tonight - do the Canucks chance starting Halak? We have a tough road trip coming up, and this is the second half of a back to back.

No, no they don't or so I hope. What good is rest, it's win now .. rest when you are done and out.

 

[M2Beezy]

A win again tonight will be TWO more points in the standings. I think we can do it! Keep it up!

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Still a long shot but who would have predicted 6 wins in a row two and a half weeks ago. I say we make it 7!

 

[StreetHawk]

No, no they don't or so I hope. What good is rest, it's win now .. rest when you are done and out.

Every goalie needs a break, be it physical or mental. Vancouver to close out the year played on Mon, Tue, Thur, Sat, Tue, Thur, Fri. 7 games in 12 days with 2 sets of 3 games in 4 nights.
I would imagine that Halak gets either the Min ir Cal game.

 

[M2Beezy]

Still a long shot but who would have predicted 6 wins in a row two and a half weeks ago. I say we make it 7!

Pessimist! Win out the season

 

[Blue and Green]

I thought they were saying on the post-game show that the Canucks actually now of 'control' their playoff destiny. If they win out the rest of the way, they're 'in'.

They have a game in hand on Vegas and the Kings, and they play L.A. in the final game of the season. And if they beat the Kings, they'd own the playoff tie-breaker because of a better head-to-head record.

Canucks are in good shape if it comes to a tiebreaker with the Kings but head-to-head results are only third in the tiebreaking process. Regulation wins, then regulation + OT wins, then HTH.

 

[Tact]

I would play Halak tonight - if he can beat the Avs, he can beat the Sens.

I’d give him a short leash - 2 goals against otherwise yanked

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Win tonight and LA loses tonight against the Ducks in regulation and we are suddenly two points behind LA with a game in hand and we leapfrog over idle Vegas.
The playoff race can change a lot in just one night.

 

[rypper]

Canucks are currently tied with the Kings for RW (regulation wins) and one back for ROW. So an outright win against the Sens and a outright loss for the Kings resolves that.

 

[Blue and Green]

If the Canucks make up four points on the Kings it would be almost certain that the Canucks would win the tiebreaking procedure.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

For the love of Hey Zeus, don’t let this be a let down game.

Be aware of Toaster Strudel. Been on fire lately.

 

[Vector]

If we win out we make the playoffs. It's guaranteed with the Vegas loss last night.

I thought they were saying on the post-game show that the Canucks actually now of 'control' their playoff destiny. If they win out the rest of the way, they're 'in'.

They have a game in hand on Vegas and the Kings, and they play L.A. in the final game of the season. And if they beat the Kings, they'd own the playoff tie-breaker because of a better head-to-head record.

The Canucks only control their destiny over Vegas, not the other teams. The issue is they aren't chasing Vegas. Canucks need several losses from LA, Nashville, and/or Dallas to have a shot. It's more likely LA wins out, rather than the Canucks, given the strength of schedules.

Vancouver:
86 points - 6 games (12p) = 98 max
Senators, @ Wild, @ Flames, Kraken, Kings, @ Oilers
2 non-playoff teams, 3 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing.


Los Angeles:
90 points - 5 games (10p) = 100 max
@ Ducks, Blackhawks, Ducks, @ Kraken, @ Canucks
4 non-playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Nashville:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
Flames, @ Lightning, Wild, Flames, @ Avalanche, @ Coyotes
1 non-playoff team, 5 strong playoff teams


Dallas:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
@ Oilers, @ Flames, Kraken, Golden Knights, Coyotes, Ducks
3 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Vegas:
87 points - 5 games (10p) = 97 max
Capitals, Sharks, @ Stars, @ Blackhawks, @ Blues
2 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing

Given how the schedules work out, Nashville will have the hardest time and the Kings have the easiest. I'd rank it something like this; from easiest to hardest.

1) Los Angeles
2) Dallas
3) Vancouver
4) Vegas
5) Nashville

With Los Angeles and Nashville being very different than the three in the middle.

Edit: In terms of tie-breakers, the Kings currently have the tie-breaker over the Canucks (31 RW each but LA has 36 ROW compared to Vancouver's 35 ROW). Nashville and Dallas also hold the tie-breaker over the Canucks (35/41 and 33/37). Canucks have the RW tie-breaker over Dallas (31 to 29) but less ROW (35 to 39).

I'm not sure where the narrative is that the Canucks hold the tie-breakers since they are behind everyone but Dallas. It does show that the Canucks don't just need wins but need regulation wins or, failing that, OT wins.

 

[logan5]

What happened to the “best season since “ thread? This is the second 6 game winning streak of the season. It has to be a long time since that happened.

 

[Vector]

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The Canucks only control their destiny over Vegas, not the other teams. The issue is they aren't chasing Vegas. Canucks need several losses from LA, Nashville, and/or Dallas to have a shot. It's more likely LA wins out, rather than the Canucks, given the strength of schedules.

Vancouver:
86 points - 6 games (12p) = 98 max
Senators, @ Wild, @ Flames, Kraken, Kings, @ Oilers
2 non-playoff teams, 3 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing.


Los Angeles:
90 points - 5 games (10p) = 100 max
@ Ducks, Blackhawks, Ducks, @ Kraken, @ Canucks
4 non-playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Nashville:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
Flames, @ Lightning, Wild, Flames, @ Avalanche, @ Coyotes
1 non-playoff team, 5 strong playoff teams


Dallas:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
@ Oilers, @ Flames, Kraken, Golden Knights, Coyotes, Ducks
3 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Vegas:
87 points - 5 games (10p) = 97 max
Capitals, Sharks, @ Stars, @ Blackhawks, @ Blues
2 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing

Given how the schedules work out, Nashville will have the hardest time and the Kings have the easiest. I'd rank it something like this; from easiest to hardest.

1) Los Angeles
2) Dallas
3) Vancouver
4) Vegas
5) Nashville

With Los Angeles and Nashville being very different than the three in the middle.

Edit: In terms of tie-breakers, the Kings currently have the tie-breaker over the Canucks (31 RW each but LA has 36 ROW compared to Vancouver's 35 ROW). Nashville and Dallas also hold the tie-breaker over the Canucks (35/41 and 33/37). Canucks have the RW tie-breaker over Dallas (31 to 29) but less ROW (35 to 39).

I'm not sure where the narrative is that the Canucks hold the tie-breakers since they are behind everyone but Dallas. It does show that the Canucks don't just need wins but need regulation wins or, failing that, OT wins.

They hold their own destiny in the sense that if they win out they make the playoffs. By definition that means LA loses their game to Vancouver.

 

[Vector]

They hold their own destiny in the sense that if they win out they make the playoffs. By definition that means LA loses their game to Vancouver.

I mean, yeah, but that's insane. Fun as hell but insane. LA controls this more than the Canucks do.

 

[Blue and Green]

Edit: In terms of tie-breakers, the Kings currently have the tie-breaker over the Canucks (31 RW each but LA has 36 ROW compared to Vancouver's 35 ROW). Nashville and Dallas also hold the tie-breaker over the Canucks (35/41 and 33/37). Canucks have the RW tie-breaker over Dallas (31 to 29) but less ROW (35 to 39).

I'm not sure where the narrative is that the Canucks hold the tie-breakers since they are behind everyone but Dallas. It does show that the Canucks don't just need wins but need regulation wins or, failing that, OT wins.

The tiebreaker isn't now, it's at the end of the season and if the Canucks and Kings finish tied it's nigh-on impossible that the Canucks would've made up four points on the Kings without altering the tiebreaking procedure into their favour. I've seen no narrative about the Canucks being in good shape against teams other than Dallas and Los Angeles.

 

[Vector]

The tiebreaker isn't now, it's at the end of the season and if the Canucks and Kings finish tied it's nigh-on impossible that the Canucks would've made up four points on the Kings without altering the tiebreaking procedure into their favour. I've seen no narrative about the Canucks being in good shape against teams other than Dallas and Los Angeles.

The tie-breaker was brought up multiple times in last night's broadcast and is talked about a lot on here.

 

[mathonwy]

@Jack Burton

Do you feel something tonight as well?

 

[supercanuck]

Shoot! Matt Murray is injured! Do we get the Hamburglar tonight then?

 

[Blue and Green]

The tie-breaker was brought up multiple times in last night's broadcast and is talked about a lot on here.

I've seen or heard no narrative that the Canucks are going to win the tiebreaker against teams besides Dallas and Los Angeles. And the tiebreaker with the Kings was the point of discussion in this thread.

 

[supercanuck]

The Canucks only control their destiny over Vegas, not the other teams. The issue is they aren't chasing Vegas. Canucks need several losses from LA, Nashville, and/or Dallas to have a shot. It's more likely LA wins out, rather than the Canucks, given the strength of schedules.

Vancouver:
86 points - 6 games (12p) = 98 max
Senators, @ Wild, @ Flames, Kraken, Kings, @ Oilers
2 non-playoff teams, 3 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing.


Los Angeles:
90 points - 5 games (10p) = 100 max
@ Ducks, Blackhawks, Ducks, @ Kraken, @ Canucks
4 non-playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Nashville:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
Flames, @ Lightning, Wild, Flames, @ Avalanche, @ Coyotes
1 non-playoff team, 5 strong playoff teams


Dallas:
91 points - 6 games (12p) = 103 max
@ Oilers, @ Flames, Kraken, Golden Knights, Coyotes, Ducks
3 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team that is chasing them


Vegas:
87 points - 5 games (10p) = 97 max
Capitals, Sharks, @ Stars, @ Blackhawks, @ Blues
2 non-playoff teams, 2 playoff teams, and the team they are chasing

Given how the schedules work out, Nashville will have the hardest time and the Kings have the easiest. I'd rank it something like this; from easiest to hardest.

1) Los Angeles
2) Dallas
3) Vancouver
4) Vegas
5) Nashville

With Los Angeles and Nashville being very different than the three in the middle.

Edit: In terms of tie-breakers, the Kings currently have the tie-breaker over the Canucks (31 RW each but LA has 36 ROW compared to Vancouver's 35 ROW). Nashville and Dallas also hold the tie-breaker over the Canucks (35/41 and 33/37). Canucks have the RW tie-breaker over Dallas (31 to 29) but less ROW (35 to 39).

I'm not sure where the narrative is that the Canucks hold the tie-breakers since they are behind everyone but Dallas. It does show that the Canucks don't just need wins but need regulation wins or, failing that, OT wins.

Thanks for this! It shows just how tough it still would be for us to make the playoffs.

Along with LA, Nashville might be catchable as one could see them go 3-3 or even 2-4 due to their tough schedule.

 

[rypper]

Filip Gustavsson starts for the Sens.

 

[Canuckle1970]

I thought Demko would play tonight, but it's confirmed that Halak is in. If we keep that same relentless play from last night, minus the SH goal, we should pull it off. I realize this playoff run could end any day now, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Forgot to mention the terrific support from Highmore, Lammiko and Lockwood last night.