Semifinals: New York Islanders vs. Tampa Bay Lightning (Series tied 3-3) Part III

[Tres Peleches]

Yes?

It happens all the time. Literally have certain rules in place for other infractions where injury results in a stricter penalty. It can be relevant. Like I said I agree we should call them more, but even if you’re going to be too lenient, still need to call the more severe ones. The ones that result in injury, to head/neck, or result in player being boarded. Common sense

I agree with this, but was it evident he was injured by that play? He gets cross checked on the right side, falls down and continues to play on

Then, when going for a check on Barzal, his arm hits the boards funny and his left arm is injured

I’m not saying it shouldn’t have been a penalty, because it should have for sure, but it’s pure speculation that that is what injured him

 

[MattMartin]

For all of those in need of a chuckle.....

 

[NHL Review]

That’s not what I said or inferred.

It was in the post you quoted, that was his response to officials not knowing what they’re doing or making their own rules on the fly.

 

[benedictTavares]

Yes?

It happens all the time. Literally have certain rules in place for other infractions where injury results in a stricter penalty. It can be relevant. Like I said I agree we should call them more, but even if you’re going to be too lenient, still need to call the more severe ones. The ones that result in injury, to head/neck, or result in player being boarded. Common sense

SO in this case it would not have been a penalty with the way you think it should work. Or maybe if that rule was in place kuch drops like he was hit with a gunshot. Or are you now saying that the refs can call a penalty 30-60+ seconds later when they notice a player laboring and just guessing it was from the crosscheck. Just stop. Please

The only way to stop this is to call ALL cross checks. Maybe give people in front of the net some leeway??

The hilarious part is im arguing for more AGGRESSIVE enforcement you want to give the refs some leeway to make calls on sht they dont even call 90% of the time.

 

[MattMartin]

Thank god hockey is a sport the celebrates and rewards toughness. No interest in watching a bunch of figure skaters out there. What made Tampa’s cup and every cup team special is they survive the battles, overcome the punishment and deserved to win it. Watching hand taps stopping play like in basketball is boring.

Happy that Spike Lee is not a hockey fan.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Reports are Kucherov has a separated shoulder.

That leaves a gaping hole in their lineup.

 

[NHL Review]

SO in this case it would not have been a penalty with the way you think it should work. Or maybe if that rule was in place kuch drops like he was hit with a gunshot. Or are you now saying that the refs can call a penalty 30-60+ seconds later when they notice a player laboring and just guessing it was from the crosscheck. Just stop. Please

I went back and watched the replay multiple times. He was down for a bit and hobbled back up. I’m not talking about what he went off with (don’t know if it’s related), I was saying in those type of situations you make the call. It was a very hard cross-check that wasn’t a player battling for positioning and intended to punish.

I think every neutral person here agrees that it’s a penalty. It’s pretty blatant

 

[SI90]

Nassau Coliseum is just different lol

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Reports are Kucherov has a separated shoulder.

That leaves a gaping hole in their lineup.

Or a good 2022 run.

 

[beLIever]

>1% of this board was alive for that.

Sigh I was already 8. My first game was 1/12/80 and I am female. The hell am I doing here…?

 

[SI90]

Reports are Kucherov has a separated shoulder.

That leaves a gaping hole in their lineup.

Where did you see this? Looked like the ribs more than a shoulder shot?

 

[TheNumber4]

Of which there are thousands every game. Yes, I think ANY cross check should be a penalty, but the NHL has an identity crisis. How many times you see a guy get his back pounded by crosschecks along the boards? For some reason, it's always been allowed.

The problem is the rule book.

It’s not that Cross checks are illegal. It’s forceful cross checks. So subjectivity is written right into the rule, so now we have to rely on game managers to figure out how strong or weak a cross check is before it finally warrants a penalty. Rulebook needs a reform, rules need to be simplified and better defined. There is no other way to consistency other than this.

 

[benedictTavares]

I went back and watched the replay multiple times. He was down for a bit and hobbled back up. I’m not talking about what he went off with (don’t know if it’s related), I was saying in those type of situations you make the call. It was a very hard cross-check that wasn’t a player battling for positioning and intended to punish.

I think every neutral person here agrees that it’s a penalty. It’s pretty blatant

We all agree its a penalty I am literally arguing to call ALL cross checks and you will see them vanish.

 

[Incognito]

Gimmie a break.. if they called ever crosscheck they would be no 5 on 5 play.

I know there's a lot of cross checks in a normal game, and I'm not advocating for calling all of them. However, it should be pretty obvious just by plain sight whether it crossed the line between a normal hockey play and something worthy of an infraction. There's no need for officials to go into deep analysis of intent. It shouldn't matter what they player intended, only whether the action crossed that line or not.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Reports are Kucherov has a separated shoulder.

That leaves a gaping hole in their lineup.

Ouch, hate to see a player hurt.

If that’s indeed the case, I think we can put the whole “it was the crosscheck that injured him” theory to bed

 

[RMimagery]

Lol. Tom Wilson crushes people with body checks. Not cheap stick work like that.

Holding my nose and cheering for Trotz. Stop making it harder than this is.

By the way, still haven’t forgotten dirty POS Potvin breaking Bengt Gustaffson’s leg.

Did you actually use the words Tom Wilson and not cheap in the same post?

and as a Caps fan - you're seriously bringing up a Potvin hit from 35/40 years ago?

I have two words for you - Dale Hunter. Was one of the worst and dirtiest plays in sport's history. Separating a celebrating player's shoulder from behind after the game/series was over. Pathetic. One of the the few bigger POS than Wilson in hockey history.

 

[Aoko]

Pretty nice shot for a buttplug

I did remark that it was a gorgeous shot. But even a buttplug can get a critical nut shot sometimes too. Doesn't mean they're anything more than what they are. A buttplug.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Nassau Coliseum is just different lol

Taking notes from Lincoln Financial.

 

[13th Floor]

Reports are Kucherov has a separated shoulder.

That leaves a gaping hole in their lineup.

So.. not insinuating this. Just generally asking... did he get hurt from that crosscheck or the weird nothing looking play with Barzal? The crosscheck was brutal and should have been called, but he really seemed to be laboring after trying to check Barzal. Maybe he tweaked something from the check and then exacerbated it. A separated shoulder from a cross check? If that report is true.

 

[NHL Review]

We all agree its a penalty I am literally arguing to call ALL cross checks and you will see them vanish.

Yeah we are on the same page then lol. Why are you responding and trying to debate something that isn’t relevant? Lets not argue just for the sake of arguing. Call them all, I agree

 

[Tres Peleches]

Where did you see this? Looked like the ribs more than a shoulder shot?

I truly think he injured himself on the Barzal hit and the crosscheck had little, if anything, to do with it. He went into the boards pretty damn awkwardly

 

[Hockeyholic]

Ouch, hate to see a player hurt.

If that’s indeed the case, I think we can put the whole “it was the crosscheck that injured him” theory to bed

I don't know how TB can be favorites if they miraculously advance.

Point, Stamkos, and Hedman?

 

[MattMartin]

Could've happened in 1979.

 

[BKIsles]

This has been a great series. Both teams really have put it on the line. So much physical play, so many greasy goals. Unbelievable character by the Isles to shake off the 8-0 beating and take game 6.

Game 7, anybody's game. Vasilevskiy has been so impressive, I think he's been the top player, just hoping the Isles can get to him early in 7, get him second-guessing and take it home.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

You can mute me if you like. Not my fault you didn’t read the post you were responding to. Was trying to clear that up, not sure what the attitude is for. Thanks

You should watch the games you comment on. Five second clips do not tell the story.