Gonzothe7thDman
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If Thornton brought back what Karlsson did, I doubt there would be as many people still bothered by it.
Truthfully, you are comparing apples to oranges. Joe was traded before his prime and had his best years in San Jose. Karlsson on the other hand was on the decline his last season in Ottawa and has only been worse in SJ. I can certainly appreciate you being a fan of the player. With that said, Ottawa did much better in what they received for Karlsson. I think you should be pretty happy overall with how things turned out. That trade alone should have expedited the rebuild. Boston received a pretty poor return for Joe but I am happy with how things turned out overall. I don't know that the Bruins would have won with him.Hi Guys,
As a lifelong Senators fan (for better or worse...haha) was wondering if you could provide some perspective on something I was wondering about:
When the B's traded Joe Thorton and immediately following, weren't great for a few years before becoming amazing (and winning a cup), were you generally still peeved about how the team traded Thornton away even though the team was amazing now?
I ask because it seems like the Sens are turning a corner here and honestly, even if the Sens win a cup, I'm still pretty upset about the Karlsson trade...Or if the Sens get great and the Sharks tank (no pun intended), should I just get over it?
What are your thoughts?
If Thornton brought back what Karlsson did, I doubt there would be as many people still bothered by it.
The Thornton trade was the worst, but the one I hated was the Seguin tradeIt was the worst trade the Bruins ever made in my lifetime, but it’s not worth dwelling on.
Hi Guys,
As a lifelong Senators fan (for better or worse...haha) was wondering if you could provide some perspective on something I was wondering about:
When the B's traded Joe Thorton and immediately following, weren't great for a few years before becoming amazing (and winning a cup), were you generally still peeved about how the team traded Thornton away even though the team was amazing now?
I ask because it seems like the Sens are turning a corner here and honestly, even if the Sens win a cup, I'm still pretty upset about the Karlsson trade...Or if the Sens get great and the Sharks tank (no pun intended), should I just get over it?
What are your thoughts?
I think there isn't a consensus among Bruins fans. There are definitely some fans who still agree with then-management's belief that he wasn't a guy you build a winner around, and there are others who recognize that he's an all time great player who got kind of a raw deal here. I personally fall in the latter camp. I think management was the source of this team's problems and that eventually becoming a contender had more to do with overhauling the front office and signing Chara than with trading Thornton. Some will argue that you couldn't have afforded to keep Thornton and sign Chara but that's nonsense. Keeping Joe probably would have meant no Marc Savard. As much as I love Savvy, they definitely could have built a contender around Thornton and Chara (with Bergeron, Marchand, etc). Others might argue that Bergeron might never have become an elite center if stuck in Thornton's shadow but that's more nonsense. Bergeron was too good to be held down and the two guys are different enough that they wouldn't have competed for the same assignments usually. They would have been a dominant 1-2 punch.Hi Guys,
As a lifelong Senators fan (for better or worse...haha) was wondering if you could provide some perspective on something I was wondering about:
When the B's traded Joe Thorton and immediately following, weren't great for a few years before becoming amazing (and winning a cup), were you generally still peeved about how the team traded Thornton away even though the team was amazing now?
I ask because it seems like the Sens are turning a corner here and honestly, even if the Sens win a cup, I'm still pretty upset about the Karlsson trade...Or if the Sens get great and the Sharks tank (no pun intended), should I just get over it?
What are your thoughts?
The Seguin trade is a worse trade IMO because it was made from a position of strength and they still got hosed. The team had won a Cup and made the finals in a 3 year span. They had Seguin, a 2nd overall pick and Hamilton looking good as a 9th overall pick. They still had guys like Bergeron, Marchand, Lucic & Krejci in their primes. Yes they had cap problems, but as we've seen, those things are never as hard to get out of as they seem. The Bruins really held all the cards and should have gotten way more for Seguin. The kid had issues, but it's not like he had asked for a trade. The urgency to trade him was totally self-inflicted. At least with the Thornton trade you can kind of understand it because the team was doing so poorly...you can at least rationalize it as a panic move. With Seguin the panic was completely manufactured and it almost certainly cost them another Cup.The Thornton trade was the worst, but the one I hated was the Seguin trade
I have no idea why.
Ancient history, and he was never going to raise the Cup here anyway.
The Seguin trade is a worse trade IMO because it was made from a position of strength and they still got hosed. The team had won a Cup and made the finals in a 3 year span. They had Seguin, a 2nd overall pick and Hamilton looking good as a 9th overall pick. They still had guys like Bergeron, Marchand, Lucic & Krejci in their primes. Yes they had cap problems, but as we've seen, those things are never as hard to get out of as they seem. The Bruins really held all the cards and should have gotten way more for Seguin. The kid had issues, but it's not like he had asked for a trade. The urgency to trade him was totally self-inflicted. At least with the Thornton trade you can kind of understand it because the team was doing so poorly...you can at least rationalize it as a panic move. With Seguin the panic was completely manufactured and it almost certainly cost them another Cup.
I said a few days ago that the Sens will be scary in two years. Stuetzle and Norris is great return. The Bruins’ return on the trade was terrible as has been rehashed here. The best thing they got, though, was not tying up cap space on Joe. The Sens would probably regret that the most, as other people are saying. A crafty trade or two to round out the lineup and the Sens will win a Cup.You should be ecstatic the direction the Sens are headed in. The return you guys got for Karlsson was way better than what the Bruins got for Big Joe.
I mean come on your Killing me. Tim Stuetzle and Josh Norris alone gives Ottawa the win. O'Connell didn't do any shopping and shortly there after became unemployed. Huge difference between the two. Ottawa won the Karlsson trade, Boston not so-much.
I have no idea why.
Ancient history, and he was never going to raise the Cup here anyway.
Thank everything Chiarelli was fired, although I don't really like our current one either...The Seguin trade is a worse trade IMO because it was made from a position of strength and they still got hosed. The team had won a Cup and made the finals in a 3 year span. They had Seguin, a 2nd overall pick and Hamilton looking good as a 9th overall pick. They still had guys like Bergeron, Marchand, Lucic & Krejci in their primes. Yes they had cap problems, but as we've seen, those things are never as hard to get out of as they seem. The Bruins really held all the cards and should have gotten way more for Seguin. The kid had issues, but it's not like he had asked for a trade. The urgency to trade him was totally self-inflicted. At least with the Thornton trade you can kind of understand it because the team was doing so poorly...you can at least rationalize it as a panic move. With Seguin the panic was completely manufactured and it almost certainly cost them another Cup.
If JJ the most powerful owner in the sport and ringleader for the lockout hadn't screwed up that lockout (and resigned Joe, Nylander, Gonchar to soon to be rolled back contracts) guys like Modano and Forsberg and Kariya might have signed here as opposed to crap like Zhamnov.
The deal was made because they liked Sturm and Stuart's contracts and thought they were good value. Were lucky we were so awful and could rebuild even drafting Zach Hamill so quickly.
This!It was the classic Bruins nickels for a quarter deal they are famous for, They traded Joe, treated him like garbage on the way out then wondered why real good pro players wouldn't sign here.