Johnny Canucker
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Sedins are the least players I worry about no matter what point production they are putting out.
Sedins' struggles
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No Kesler on the PP, and struggles from the back-end on the PP which has diminished it's effectiveness. There is no legit 2nd line offensive threat for other teams to worry about, so they can focus on shutting down the top line. Burrows and Daniel have been having an off-season by their standards.
Now with so many injuries, are back to playing a 'circle the wagons' tight defensive system and taking less chances to create offense. It comes as little surprise that Henrik and Daniel's production would be down if they are being expected to play more of a two-way game.
It also comes as little surprise that Schneider miraculously 'found his game' once the Canucks cut back on the number of grade 'A' scoring chances against allowed.
Now with so many injuries, are back to playing a 'circle the wagons' tight defensive system and taking less chances to create offense. It comes as little surprise that Henrik and Daniel's production would be down if they are being expected to play more of a two-way game.
It also comes as little surprise that Schneider miraculously 'found his game' once the Canucks cut back on the number of grade 'A' scoring chances against allowed.
RobertKron
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Henrik is .03 PPG off his ES points pace from 10/11. Daniel is off significantly, but still. It's the PP, and, I'd suggest, Kesler not being with them on said PP. Kesler just brings so many extra angles to the PP. Their PP point paces are way, way down from 10/11. Like by half.
Derp Kassian
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in the few games he was back you could just tell he changed things completely on the PP.. another dangerous shot and good passer + net front presence when possible
RobertKron
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His speed can back guys off so they can establish themselves in the zone, or it can be effective in puck retrieval. He wins pucks on the boards. His shot also keeps teams honest, either the threat off the rush, or the one timer we've seen from the circle. He's got a big frame which gives him big reach to scoop up loose pucks off of rebounds or blocked passes/shots, and allows him to shield the puck well when things get scrambly. He's also really good in front of the net, but has the head and hands to quickly find and grab rebounds. Losing him from the PP is an absolutely enormous loss.
Nona Di Giuseppe
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When you say Ehrhoff, I think you actually mean, the Canuck's overall transitional game has gone to ****.
I believe the ability to go from defending to producing goals is underrated in the league. Chicago's ability to do this is unreal.
I don't like the Canucks defensive system at the moment. The puck-possession game is more like "We're going to do this to you and you can't stop it even though it's happening in front of your eyes - settle the puck in the defensive zone, plot a course through the neutral zone, cycle it until there's a chance." I'd like more run and gun, fast paced, using speed system.
The Sedin's will always play a puck possession game, but planning the team's strategy around it I think makes a waste of the other line's abilities and why secondary scoring has been lacking for awhile. (And certain players haven't flourished here.)
The team is lacking an identity a bit IMO.
RobertKron
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The Canucks often use the long pass to a man up ice, who then either chips in or, ideally, hits a man busting up the middle. That's pretty much the definition of "fast paced, using speed." The problem is that it's not really clicking too well. Partially because they're missing 1/3 of their top 6, partially because the defensemen responsible for making it go are not really on their games this year for whatever reason.
Pretty much every team "cycles it until there's a chance." To score off the rush, you're either outnumbering them, relying on their D gapping down too low to give you space to skate it into a good shooting position, or straight up walking a guy. The first two are only going to happen so often, and the third requires personnel that the Canucks don't have in abundance. You have to play the percentages, and if the opportunity is there, the last thing you want is to have guys just trying over and over to hopelessly dangle the defence or skate it into trouble, because all you're doing there is giving the other team a free chance to turn the play back up ice.
I think Henrik has played extremely well this year. Daniel, as the goal scorer, is a step behind him. But I wouldn't say either are struggling except on the PP - they are far and away the most dangerous players on the ice almost every night.
JuniorNelson
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I'd like to see some lap times from the Sedins. I think they are slower this season.
Not to be an alarmist, but the Sedins are thirty-two. How has every other goalscorer in history been affected by turning thirty two?
GM Gillis should be given a great deal of the credit for the Canucks this season. Vignault, too. A dude just crosschecked a Sedin to the head and was actually acknowledged by the league for it. Where was the Canuck response? This player should have been smacked down immediately. This is especially true of one line teams. Is Gillis still butthurt from his playing days and determined to prove felines can win in a big dog's game?
Not to be an alarmist, but the Sedins are thirty-two. How has every other goalscorer in history been affected by turning thirty two?
GM Gillis should be given a great deal of the credit for the Canucks this season. Vignault, too. A dude just crosschecked a Sedin to the head and was actually acknowledged by the league for it. Where was the Canuck response? This player should have been smacked down immediately. This is especially true of one line teams. Is Gillis still butthurt from his playing days and determined to prove felines can win in a big dog's game?
y2kcanucks
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Not me. When it comes to playoff time at least, I don't think we can count on them scoring at a rate we need them to.
Royal Canuck
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Mostly PP to me. I would bet their 5 on 5 numbers are where they were, but with the PP becoming a problem, they're numbers will take a big hit.
Still creating chances and playing well. I don't think their age is even a factor at this point personally. It's not like they play a speed game.
Still creating chances and playing well. I don't think their age is even a factor at this point personally. It's not like they play a speed game.
Shareefruck
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They look great, IMO.
The points drop is due to lack of powerplay success, which has alot to do with no Kesler and no Salo.
Also, Burrows has not been as good as he was previous years.
The points drop is due to lack of powerplay success, which has alot to do with no Kesler and no Salo.
Also, Burrows has not been as good as he was previous years.
polarbearcub
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........................... did they even play tonight? They had next to zero shifts where they owned the puck. This is one of the worst road teams in the league and the sedins did NO THING............
.....................................................wow....................................
polarbearcub
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Puck possesion is one thing, but eventually you need to get some chances. They seem to pass a lot then eventually lose the puck before getting even a decent shot. Lost A LOT of battles today and the last few games.
y2kcanucks
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Multiple reasons why:
1) PP production. Team has a hard time, outside of the drop pass of carrying the puck into the offensive zone. Twins don't have the speed or shiftiness to back the opposing team off the line. So, it falls to the other 3 skaters to do so. Without Kesler and the Hoff, Garrison, Burrows, Hansen, Edler aren't great at doing that.
2) Shooting the damn puck. We saw it rear its ugly head big time in the Colorado game on the 2nd PP chance when Hank passed cross ice to Daniel, who instead of shooting it at the 1/2 open net, opted to pass it back cross ice to Hank (the non-shooter) and they failed to get a good shot at the net.
Teams have figured out that Hank isn't dangerous on the side wall because he's not a shooting option, even just putting the puck on net for a rebound or a tip. He'll only pass the puck, so as a defender you give him a lane to the net and just block up the passing lanes.
3) Change in the game. Not as free flowing as the past couple of years. Hinders their game.
4) Inability to adapt to new linemates. Since they have played together for over 25 years, they are the ones that require the 3rd forward to adapt to their style. Onus has never been on them to adjust their game to new linemates.
sandwichbird2023
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yeah, i think with the way obstructions are being call nowadays, its back to the old clutch and grab hockey, and it really affects the sedins because their magic (cycling and passing) are nullified when a defender can, well, clutch and grab the twins when the D got beat.
In all seriousness, I think the fact that we don't have secondary scoring or a strong checking line is hurting them the most right now. They have the entirety of the other team's focus right now. If they're not dueling top lines constantly at home they're dueling top defensive formations constantly on the road.
They're coming out a head in their match ups, but we're not going to get good production out of them if the trend continues. It's why Kesler and a third line center are so important. Such a huge trickle down effect for the entire line up.
They're coming out a head in their match ups, but we're not going to get good production out of them if the trend continues. It's why Kesler and a third line center are so important. Such a huge trickle down effect for the entire line up.
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