Speculation: Secondary Scoring is non existent!

[Wafflewhipper]

Gauthier and Engvall for starters here. 1 Goal and 1 assist each the last TWENTY games. Keefe kept Engvall on the Tavares line for almost 2 shifts and seen enough. Spezza and Kappy are in our bottom six and produce, Clifford adds jam and the rest are taking a pay cheque and doing nothing.

Certainly looks like these guys really don’t get the levity of the situation in our battle for accountability and playoff race with a good Florida team that was really good no so long ago. Florida getting hot and these guys adding nothing to team success is concerning.

Top Six carries this team! Maybe we need to ship some players to the Marlies to send a message. Its really annoying the lack of character these softies are providing

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[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Matthews should really be up for the Hart. the degree to which he's carried the team is absurd

 

[Jozay]

Clifford, Gautheir, Malgin, and Engvall pretty much give us nothing offensively.

 

[Advanced stats]

Just so we're clear here, Gauthier isn't here to score... If you're expecting that..you have another thing coming

 

[Jozay]

Just so we're clear here, Gauthier isn't here to score... If you're expecting that..you have another thing coming

What exactly is Gauthier here to do? Cause I cant tell when he's out there.

 

[NastyKnies]

This is what happens when you spend 40 mill on four players.

 

[yubbers]

Dumping Kadri was pretty much giving up a guaranteed 20-25 every season
Barrie and Kerfoot have combined for 14. That trade is looking so awful.

 

[IceColdBear]

We've been missing Johnsson and Mikheyev for a long time.

If we had those two guys in the lineup, our secondary scoring would be a strength.

Those two aren't world beaters, but they can play in a teams top 6, or be very very good 3rd liners providing offense, and they aren't slouches defensively.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Clifford, Gautheir, Malgin, and Engvall pretty much give us nothing offensively.

Nothing physically either. They don’t wear down opponents. Likely they are to worn down from all the stick waving checks. Rarely do any take the body in any significant way. I think they actually believe they are safe on the team without getting their noses dirty. Thats got to change. I have no tolerance for entitlement on this team. Sick to death of watching these guys take the easy way out. Maybe they have to be out

See how their entitlement feels to them when they are making $70,000 to $100,000 in the minors

 

[Dave92]

Engvall specifically has fallen off a cliff compared to how he was playing early. The others have never contributed in the first place.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Just so we're clear here, Gauthier isn't here to score... If you're expecting that..you have another thing coming

Whats he here for faceoff percentages. Huge and plays passive. Not buying excuses for this guy any more

 

[Wafflewhipper]

We've been missing Johnsson and Mikheyev for a long time.

If we had those two guys in the lineup, our secondary scoring would be a strength.

Those two aren't world beaters, but they can play in a teams top 6, or be very very good 3rd liners providing offense, and they aren't slouches defensively.

It still doesn’t negate the lack of anything from the rest. I think they shouldbe demoted

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This is what happens when you spend 40 mill on four players.

Yeah the four that carry the darn team. I added that for you

 

[Big Muddy]

Thought I saw some saying our depth was really good?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Clifford, Gautheir, Malgin, and Engvall pretty much give us nothing offensively.

Clifford hits and is playing with soft wastes of skin, he needs energy guys with him and then we are talking

 

[Marshy]

We need the Bobs to come in and clean house.

First question:

"What would you say.....you do here??"

 

[All Mod Cons]

That's because most of them make minimum wage. For the most part, you get what you pay for

 

[Leafs at Knight]

It's funny all the love Engvall gets with his like 12 goal pace, when Johnsson who got 20 in his rookie year everybody wants gone.

 

[CelticDruid]

Thought I saw some saying our depth was really good?

We used to have good depth, but the cupboards aren't what they used to be that's for sure.

 

[All Mod Cons]

It's funny all the love Engvall gets with his like 12 goal pace, when Johnsson who got 20 in his rookie year everybody wants gone.

Engvall was new. Sale thing happened with Mikheyev, Moore (people wanted him with Matthews), Johnsson, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott, Campbell, Timashov, Borgman, Frattin and many more.

It only takes half a dozen games for a large portion of the fanbase to label someone a steal

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

It's funny all the love Engvall gets with his like 12 goal pace, when Johnsson who got 20 in his rookie year everybody wants gone.

Usage and salaries make a huge difference tbf.

 

[67Leafs67]

First of all, we are the highest scoring team in the league. So, calling out our scoring, in any way, shape, or form, as a problem, is kind of odd. Our problem this season has mainly been goaltending & team defense, as well as injury troubles. So, citing scoring, and where it is or isn't coming from, as an issue, is strange.

A few things to consider though.
- Injuries: Currently our 1st & 3rd most productive defenders (Rielly & Muzzin) are out, and our 6th & 8th most productive forwards (Mikheyev & Johnsson). That has a hit on depth production.
- Relative Stats: Not a definitive measure of depth scoring, but only three teams (MTL, VAN, & PHI) have ten players with 0.5+ ppg, and only three teams (VGK, COL, & NSH) have nine players. Toronto also has nine players with 0.5+ ppg. That has us t-4th in the NHL.
- Overall Performances: These are where our players rank (among forwards with 15+ GP) in points-per-game.

First Line (1-93)
13. Matthews (1.16)
16. Marner (1.14)
33. Tavares (0.95)
47. Nylander (0.86)
70. Hyman (0.76)

Second Line (94-186)
132. Mikheyev (0.59) *injured
157. Kapanen (0.54)
179. Johnsson (0.49) *injured

Third Line (187-279)
202. Spezza (0.45)
205. Kerfoot (0.44)

Fourth Line (280-372)
296. Engvall (0.33)
321. Malgin (0.29)
340. Clifford (0.25)

Sub-Replacement (373+)
384. Gauthier (0.20)
398. Petan (0.19)

So we have 11 forwards producing at NHL levels of production, 13 when we are healthy. Looking at our lines, we've got this:

Hyman (3F) - Matthews (1F) - Marner (1F) --> Three first liners, two #1 forwards
Kerfoot (7F) - Tavares (2F) - Nylander (2F) --> Two upper-tier first liners, a high-end third liner
Clifford (11F) - Spezza (7F) - Kapanen (5F) --> Two second liners, a fourth liner
Engvall (10F) - Gauthier (13F) - Malgin (11F) --> Two legit fourth liners, a sub-optimal centre

Because our team is so good on the top-end, the contributions of the bottom end can feel underwhelming, but stacked up against the rest of the league, they are really doing a fine job, especially considering the roles they play, without much PP time, lack of TOI in general, and lack of productive offensive linemates.

 

[Stephen]

Engvall should be used in a shock troop and penalty killing role but not yet relied to do too much else. Kind of regret seeing him get signed for like 3 weeks of good hockey, what was the rush?

Gauthier is pretty disappointing for what little expectations you might have of him. If he were mean and consistently high energy he would be a useful center, but no one really needs a gentle giant who has to look down to handle the puck.

 

[LeafGrief]

Matthews should really be up for the Hart. the degree to which he's carried the team is absurd

They'll never give it to Matthews, he's not a one man show. They'll give it to someone who's single handedly carrying their team, someone like Draisaitl!

Wait...

 

[aingefan]

Clifford, Gautheir, Malgin, and Engvall pretty much give us nothing offensively.

Malgin looked dangerous last night, and that’s the fourth line.