B. Schenn (21)
-Just broke out this year (which a lot of us knew was bound to happen despite fear from impatient people)
-age 17 - 88 points in WHL
-age 18 - 99 points in WHL
-PPG player in AHL
-Involved in threads about being overrated
Couts (barely 20)
-age 17 - 96 points in QMJHL
-age 18 - 96 points in QMJHL
-almost PPG player in AHL
The tools are there. Give Couts 1-1/2 - 2 more seasons and better linemates. There is a good case to be made for moving him up in the line up so he does not stagnate. One has to get used to having better / more reliable weapons.
Come on, he's definitely not getting Pietro and more than likely not netting us OEL. This is the type of overvaluing I'm talking about.
His last 3 years in juniors, he had a cumulative shooting percentage of 14.2% (that's with one season of 7.6%). His first NHL season was 11.4%. I'm going to take a guess that his current season shooting percentage of 4.8% won't last.
I'm not concerned about couturier at all
Haha wow you guys are so defensive. All I was saying is that I just don't see the potential that others do. I think Schenn is going to be better long term.
Schenn might be a better offensive player, but I think Couturier will be a Selke award winning centerman that can contribute significantly on the offensive side.
These days you don't win a Selke unless you contribute offensively.
Outside of Francis in the short season in '95, you have to go ack to '92 (Carbonneau) to find a Selke winner that didn't score 20 goals.
I love the kid and what he brings but if he can get us a Pietro or OEL then I might have to do it.
If this team was winning and in the playoff race both at the moment we are not no one would be concerned about anybody.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/2/26/4032650/sean-couturier-stats-defense-flyers
This summary is basically saying that coots is a stud on defense, and the role he plays allows for little offensive success.
And all of them, sans Landeskog, are years older than Couturier.Meh, not necessarily sure that's true. Among those with a higher Corsi Rel QoC: Jumbo Joe, Datsyuk, Kulemin, Duchene, PA Parenteau, Grabovski, Landeskog, Franzen, Henrik Sedin.
There's some serious offensive dynamos there.
Landeskog, Grabo, and Kulemin are all right there in Defensive Zone starts too and all have more PPG than Cooter.
I'm a big Couturier fan, how can you not be a fan of this level of defense out of a 20 year old? That being said, I have to agree with the OP that I've been generally unimpressed with his scoring prowess. He's made some nice passes, flashed some good vision, but his offensive positioning, nose for the puck, shooting, skating, and stick-handling have all left something to be desired this year. Some of that can be explained away by the lack of linemates and the competition he has faced, but I still think we're at a point where we're talking more about a 50 point 2 way dynamo than we are a 70 point #1C who can also completely shut-down opponents.
Most people at the draft had Couturier as a very safe pick, touted his defensive game and said he'd likely be a good 2nd line center. Some said #1C potential, others said #3C w/ avg #2C upside, but the consensus / the majority said that he was an elite defensive #2C.
Flyers fans in general jumped on the #1C projections, locked in mononucleosis as the only reason why Couturier slid in the draft, and have refused to move off the "we stole Couturier" party line ever since.
I'm not worried that Couturier is the next Marcel Goc, I think his offense is clearly better than that, but I also think the Eric Staal comparisons are absurd, as is the idea that Giroux should be bumped to the wing for Couturier to center our 1st line.
I see Couturier as an elite defensive #2C who averages 20g-30a-50pts. Maybe touches 60 pts in a career year. Can't see the 70 pt projections some around here are running wild with. Can't see him as a #1C either.
And all of them, sans Landeskog, are years older than Couturier.
He's only 20.