Celebrity Death: Sean Connery (90)

[The Mars Volchenkov]

I will never understand what people see in Craig. Zero charm. Nada. Zilch. James Bond is supposed to be a womanizer, charming guy. All the previous Bonds had it. He's just way too serious and boring.

Eh, can’t agree. Craig plays it very close to the novels and that’s what makes him great. Dalton did too but he was way ahead of his time. Don’t really want to hijack Sean’s thread though, as he’s my favorite.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The Rock, one of my favorite movies of all time.

RIP

 

[Hasbro]

That music in the untouchables was pretty awesome.

I don't know if it's nostalgia or what but it feels like these older movies had better scores than what we get nowadays.

Ennio Morricone: the legend who scored spaghetti westerns.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Never knew that. I wonder why he turned it down.

From what I heard he said he "didn't get it". Wasn't into the fantasy thing. From what I heard he had the same reaction to "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". He regretted passing LotR for those reasons when it became so beloved and well done so he accepted league of extraordinary gentlemen. Then League bombed and he just quit acting altogether.

 

[Voight]

Finally watched Red October in the summer, RIP to one of the greats

 

[chicagoskycam]

Red October was one of my favourite movies as a kid. Last Crusade and untouchables were great as well. RIP

 

[Langdon Alger]

From what I heard he said he "didn't get it". Wasn't into the fantasy thing. From what I heard he had the same reaction to "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". He regretted passing LotR for those reasons when it became so beloved and well done so he accepted league of extraordinary gentlemen. Then League bombed and he just quit acting altogether.

Well, it did gross 180 million. Not sure I’d call that a bomb. The reviews weren’t kind though.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Well, it did gross 180 million. Not sure I’d call that a bomb. The reviews weren’t kind though.

I was more going off my memory. Looking around it seems Connery did mention the production and the final quality of the film. He was tired of "working with idiots". You're right it wasn't a box office bomb per se. Its been a long time since I've seen or thought about that movie haha.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I was more going off my memory. Looking around it seems Connery did mention the production and the final quality of the film. He was tired of "working with idiots". You're right it wasn't a box office bomb per se. Its been a long time since I've seen or thought about that movie haha.

I’d call it a box office success that got panned by critics.

 

[Jussi]

I’d call it a box office success that got panned by critics.

180 million isn't a box office success. And it was a terrible movie.

 

[Osprey]

180 million isn't a box office success. And it was a terrible movie.

$180M from a $78M budget suggests a slight profit, and films are generally considered box office successes if they make money, so he's not entirely wrong. The film certainly underperformed and disappointed, though, so you're not entirely wrong, either. I'm sure that 20th Century Fox was hoping for at least double that. In the end, they made money on the film, especially because DVD rentals and sales were high, but yeah, its reputation for underperforming and being terrible is what matters.

 

[Langdon Alger]

180 million isn't a box office success.

It isn’t? You have awfully high standards. Box office success is relative to budget, so 180 million on a 20 million dollar budget would be considered a huge success. That movie made 180 million on an 80 million dollar budget, so it made 100 million profit. Chances are they thought it would do better on an 80 million dollar budget, so it could be considered a dissapointment to a certain extent, but it certainly didn’t bomb at the box office.

 

[Jussi]

$180M from a $78M budget suggests a slight profit, and films are generally considered box office successes if they make money, so he's not entirely wrong. The film certainly underperformed and disappointed, though, so you're not entirely wrong, either. I'm sure that 20th Century Fox was hoping for at least double that. In the end, they made money on the film, especially because DVD rentals and sales were high, but yeah, its reputation for underperforming and being terrible is what matters.

Add marketing and that usually doubles. That's a flop.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Add marketing and that usually doubles. That's a flop.

unless the budget includes marketing.

 

[Jussi]

unless the budget includes marketing.

They don't.

 

[Osprey]

Add marketing and that usually doubles. That's a flop.

The average marketing expense is about half, not 100%. Also, films that look like potential flops often have their marketing slashed. It's doubtful that Fox spent much in promoting this film, especially after the initial reviews.

 

[Jussi]

The average marketing expense is about half, not 100%. Also, films that look like potential flops often have their marketing slashed. It's doubtful that Fox spent much in promoting this film, especially after the initial reviews.

Most of the marketing is done before reviews are out.

 

[Osprey]

Most of the marketing is done before reviews are out.

Time-wise, yes, but some of the most expensive marketing occurs afterwards. TV spots are not cheap and they won't run for weeks or even months unless the opening weekend is successful and there are glowing reviews to quote.