Schroeder and Dalpe not qualified

kanucks25

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I don't get this "top 6 or bust" thing with Schroeder and I never have. We've all heard the complaint about the bottom 6 being a perennial weakness of this team. If you want good 3rd and 4th lines you need to get players who can push play in the right direction against equivalent competition. Here he's done so with a similar quality of teammates this season.

Part of building a good team is being able to find (whether via draft or UFA) Corsi-positive players to play throughout your lineup. Preferably through the draft 'cos you get them on value contracts while they're establishing themselves. To me it doesn't make sense to dump players if they've shown they can outplay their counterparts on the other team at the very least.

We've had great bottom-6 guys in the past handful of years. Even right now, Higgins + Hansen + Matthias + Richardson + Burrows + Dorsett makes for a solid bottom-6. That isn't the problem, it's the top-6, specifically the 2nd line. The reason our bottom-6 looks weak is because our better grinders have had to move up to the 2nd line (like Higgins and Hansen, occasionally). This dissipates the depth of the team.

It's still well above pace for the average 3rd/4th liner. Those guys get little PP production and fall well short of 50 points at ES. What he did was miraculous for 550k.

I also believe that had the PP not been in complete disarray, that he would have eventually turned around his production there. At the same time, a certain level of normalization would have happened with his ES production. End result being a 50 point, 15 PPP, all situations middle6 player. Like a Rich Peverley.





It's a huge deal if he walks. Massive. They lose essentially their best ES per minute producer for pennies. No other FA is going to match that value.

They should still sign him. Give him term. Bonino or Vey, in all likelihood, are not going to be able to match what he did here.

Seriously, I thought I was a blind Tanev fan-boy... this is ridiculous. :laugh:

You talk like his 40-something game stint was the rule, not the exception. And he's our best ES producer now because of that short stint? Even over guys like the Sedins and Burrows? That's pretty profound for a guy who would have had to move to Europe to find a job had the Canucks not given him a minimum deal. Give me a break, dude.

We have enough decent bottom-6 guys already and no team is a contender with Santorelli in their top-6. Would he be an extremely useful utility guy? Absolutely. But it doesn't kill the franchise to lose a utility player when we aren't even going to contend, anyway.
 

DarrenX

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Also, I find it odd how he (Santorelli) thinks a 2-year deal elsewhere is better than a 1-year here. You'd think Vancouver would be the best fit for him seeing as his career was resurrected here.

I don't find it odd at all. 2x$2m is $2m better than 1x$2m, and $2m is a lot of money when the subject of retirement planning comes up (and of course, don't forget taxes... the actual numbers are quite a bit less). He's a pro athelete, which means he's always one hit away from his career and livelihood being over.

If he had $10m in the bank then he can afford to be cavalier with his paycheque, but I don't think he does.

Given the state of our top 6, I think it's nothing short of insane that we're not signing him. He'll be an Oiler in about 6 hours, I reckon. I hope he comes into Rogers and fills the net.
 

damack

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I don't find it odd at all. 2x$2m is $2m better than 1x$2m, and $2m is a lot of money when the subject of retirement planning comes up (and of course, don't forget taxes... the actual numbers are quite a bit less). He's a pro athelete, which means he's always one hit away from his career and livelihood being over.

If he had $10m in the bank then he can afford to be cavalier with his paycheque, but I don't think he does.

Given the state of our top 6, I think it's nothing short of insane that we're not signing him. He'll be an Oiler in about 6 hours, I reckon. I hope he comes into Rogers and fills the net.

You make it sound like there's no contract after this one.

The one year deal lets him prove last year wasn't a fluke, and if he comes back and plays as well as he did last season he'll be due even more $$ after the year. If he doesn't, he gets what he deserves.
 

Tiranis

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You make it sound like there's no contract after this one.

The one year deal lets him prove last year wasn't a fluke, and if he comes back and plays as well as he did last season he'll be due even more $$ after the year. If he doesn't, he gets what he deserves.

And if he gets injured? Their agents have all sorts of models going as far as trying to get them maximum career earnings and that includes considerations for having to retire due to medical problems.
 

RobertKron

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You make it sound like there's no contract after this one.

The one year deal lets him prove last year wasn't a fluke, and if he comes back and plays as well as he did last season he'll be due even more $$ after the year. If he doesn't, he gets what he deserves.

I love how easy it is to turn down $2million when it's someone else's money.
 

kanucks25

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I love how easy it is to turn down $2million when it's someone else's money.

It's not turning down a million. It's risking it for many millions in the future.

I don't know how anyone can argue that Vancouver is the best place for him to extend his career.
 

me2

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You make it sound like there's no contract after this one.

The one year deal lets him prove last year wasn't a fluke, and if he comes back and plays as well as he did last season he'll be due even more $$ after the year. If he doesn't, he gets what he deserves.

He just came from being an AHL/NHL tweener on a 2-way contract. If he takes 2 years x $1.5m he is much safer, gives him a base to build his finances on. Worry about raking in the bigger money when the finances are nice and safe.
 

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