Is it safe to assume Talbot was still on the 3rd line and still sucked?
I was good with his signing when I thought he was going to be a really good 4th liner and PKer, but if he's gonna be used in a 3rd line role that's terrible. He's just not useful there.
Simmonds+ for Eberle is what I'd try.
I think a lot of that is hindsight bias. With having never won it recently there's always mistakes to look at that looked correctable, but if you go back there were a good portion of us supporting these so-called obvious mistakes. Sometimes other options were unavailable or seem more appealing after the fact.
Many people thought Lavi deserved another year after a lockout-shortened season, and some of the same people now think that was a mistake. It's hard to see what will and what won't pan out, I wouldn't get down on the organization as a whole just yet. We're still a team that needs players and chemistry to develop; we're still well off our prime.
With trading Richards and Carter we opted for a rebuild, and with so many guys still developing, we'll probably have to wait til Morin and Hagg can come in and influence games before we're real contenders. At the tail end of Streit and Vinny's contracts we might start to get there. Maybe in 3-4 years we get another Lavi-style motivational coach after Chief runs his course and we can start making legitimate runs for the cup.
These things are cyclical and right now we still have an awesome young core, don't let their recent uninspired play make you doubt that. We've seen what they can do. We're still a few pieces away but have guys that may step up into those roles. Mason looks good (albeit small sample) and fits in perfectly with the rest of the core, for instance.
It's still October and I like the changes we're seeing since Chief took over. Now if they would just get the special teams back to where they were..
Except most, if not all, of the examples I highlighted were obvious and egregious mistakes. I'm talking about stuff like the Leighton signing, giving Laviolette three games for what might as well have been no reason whatsoever, delaying an inevitable Holmgren firing, etc.
Most mistakes are just that, mistakes. I'm talking about the stuff that people already know is stupid or pointless at the time of it happening.
i ALWAYS THOUGHT SIMMER PLUS A 2ND FOR YAKUPOV WOULD BE FAIR.
It's really hard to call it hindsight bias when large chunks of the posters in this very forum called those moves mistakes when they went down. It took zero hindsight to recognize the Shelley signing was bad and the Leighton signing a disaster that would demolish any Cup chances.
Making a move on Yak could be interesting, he'd be a perfect fit for Giroux once he develops a little bit more. Edmonton is down on him this season too, although I doubt it affects his value.
So obviously has to start with Coburn, but what else? Talbot won't get it done, Mes we need another d coming back and still won't get it done. Maybe Simmonds or Hartnell if they send back a d to replace Coburn? Getting rid of Voracek would be dumb at this point, Couturier's defense is invaluable to the team, and Schenn is starting to look like he's ready for a big year. It'd be hard to get rid of any of those 3. Maybe Read or Laughton even though they've been playing well.
It's really hard to call it hindsight bias when large chunks of the posters in this very forum called those moves mistakes when they went down. It took zero hindsight to recognize the Shelley signing was bad and the Leighton signing a disaster that would demolish any Cup chances.
But I like the idea of a deal around Hartnell+ or Simmonds+ for Eberle/Yak. One of them would be perfect for G's wing and having both Hartnell and Simmonds is redundant.
I'm a big Hartnell fan but I'd be more willing to part with him as compared to Simmer.
Indeed. What would we need to add to Hartnell to get Eberle/Yak?
A lot. Coburn at least I would say.
Or Hartnell + Mez + Talbot instead of Cuburn?
Edmonton isn't close enough to competing for that to make sense for them, in my option.
Simmonds + Coburn for Eberle + defensive prospect is probably about as good as we could hope for. I'm not sold, but I understand the appeal.
I don't know if I would do that one, I'd certainly like to try to keep Simmonds over Hartnell if at all possible. I'd rather add Hartnell + a pick to keep Simmonds.
But what the hell do I know? I'm not a GM. I just really want sniper on Gs wing so badly.
Or Hartnell + Mez + Talbot instead of Cuburn?
What's wrong with the offense? Simple, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. We have been playing hot potato with the puck for a long time. I think Berube is part of the problem not part of the solution. He has been running the power play for a while and during that tenure we have taken less and less shots. Scoring is not rocket science, when you have a shot you take it. We play Pass, Pass, Pass until it gets tipped away or we miss the pass.