Proposal: San Jose Tear down

[Pinkfloyd]

Which means hes not going anywhere then for certain.

As someone who was one of his biggest fans of him while he was in his prime, the current version of EK at 11m/yr is a complete albatross of a contract.

He could still contribute or even thrive in the right circumstances. But no team in the league would give an an asset up AND take the risk of EK and his anchor of a contract without getting some kind of incentive in return.

The length of his contract and the cap hit compounded by the flat cap for the next couple years, and the complete uncertainty that Karlsson wont regress further or haver chemistry on his new team - hes probably only next to Bobrovsky in terms of untradeable players. And Skinner too I suppose.

What a sad story for what was an incredibly dominant player not that long ago.

That's fine. I think Karlsson will be fine moving forward and a team like the Sharks can't pay futures to move anyone. He's at least healthy and creating still. The Sharks forwards just haven't been good enough except a few guys like Kane, Hertl, Barabanov, and Balcers.

 

[Samsquanch]

That's fine. I think Karlsson will be fine moving forward and a team like the Sharks can't pay futures to move anyone. He's at least healthy and creating still. The Sharks forwards just haven't been good enough except a few guys like Kane, Hertl, Barabanov, and Balcers.

I agree the Sharks are much better off keeping him and seeing if he can rebound further. Its possible that if he has a big couple of years and puts up comparable numbers to his past seasons that he could even become an asset with positive value again someday. Especially with some years shaved down off of that contract of his.

Somehow I doubt this will go over with EK though...

His comments earlier this year about not wanting to go through what he did in Ottawa again (gasp only 50 playoff games in 10yrs poor bebe ), and that he didnt sign in SJ to be a part of a rebuild...

And yet it could be argued that hes a main part of the reason they're forced to rebuild, and might be surprised to learn that no contending team (or any team for that matter) will have him..... an 11m/yr player should be making a Matthews, Kucherov, Draisaitl, Marner type impact and contribution to his team. This kind of money demands that you should be able to take a game over on any given night, and win games for your team in one fashion or another. And EK has not done that for the Sharks at all, and needs to figure it out.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I agree the Sharks are much better off keeping him and seeing if he can rebound further. Its possible that if he has a big couple of years and puts up comparable numbers to his past seasons that he could even become an asset with positive value again someday. Especially with some years shaved down off of that contract of his.

Somehow I doubt this will go over with EK though...

His comments earlier this year about not wanting to go through what he did in Ottawa again (gasp only 50 playoff games in 10yrs poor bebe ), and that he didnt sign in SJ to be a part of a rebuild...

And yet it could be argued that hes a main part of the reason they're forced to rebuild, and might be surprised to learn that no contending team (or any team for that matter) will have him..... an 11m/yr player should be making a Matthews, Kucherov, Draisaitl, Marner type impact and contribution to his team. This kind of money demands that you should be able to take a game over on any given night, and win games for your team in one fashion or another. And EK has not done that for the Sharks at all, and needs to figure it out.

DW is the main reason for a rebuild but chances are they won't rebuild. These contracts can't all be moved in one offseason and with people coming back and back-to-back missed playoffs, he will feel pressure to compete for a playoff spot.

I think it's more likely that they add another big contract than lose one.

 

[Samsquanch]

DW is the main reason for a rebuild but chances are they won't rebuild. These contracts can't all be moved in one offseason and with people coming back and back-to-back missed playoffs, he will feel pressure to compete for a playoff spot.

I think it's more likely that they add another big contract than lose one.

And thats the scary truth..

They will probably be good enough to squeeze into the playoffs some years, but miss in others. And all the while will be missing out on the high end picks they need to actually open up a window of contention for themselves again one day.

Its a terrible cycle to be in. And far too many teams try the band-aid/retool approach instead of accepting their fate and committing to a full rebuild. I dont personally see how that core group of Shark players is ever going to be able to compete for a cup. Not while players like Burns and Vlasic are in a full out regression, and Couture and Karlsson arent all that far behind them on that same road...

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Trying to figure out how FLA is giving up the less expensive contract, but they're the one adding a 1st...

Because they’re going to be paying 10 million for a goalie to play in AHL assuming Knight becomes starter next season and Drieger is back up.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Sorry dude but the Sharks are the ones giving up the 1st round pick, Not Florida.

I think the panthers would rather pay a extra million for karlsson then 10 million to pay bob to play in AHL under Knight and Drieger.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Because they’re going to be paying 10 million for a goalie to play in AHL assuming Knight becomes starter next season and Drieger is back up.

Bob's full NMC means he's never going to the AHL, and likely never agreeing to a trade to SJS.

 

[Hasbro]

Looking at SJ’s payroll, the Sharks have a quarry of kidney stones to pass.

 

[Lunatik]

What would Labanc cost?

 

[Agent Zub]

Honestly this is the best time for a rebuild/retool, I hope the Sharks take it.

They won't be competitive anyway with contracts like Vlasic, Jones, and Couture. Those three together would sink any team. Next year you have the chance at Wright, the year after Bedard and Michkov. Players who can step in immediately and deliver magic. Not to mention a handful of other top tier prospects even if they miss.

Sharks can turn it around very quick.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Bob's full NMC means he's never going to the AHL, and likely never agreeing to a trade to SJS.

You’re right but would you rather have 10 million dollar goalie in press box or 11 million dollar 60+ point dman?

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I don’t think any of these are realistic, to be honest.

I’d give you Foote + NYI 1st for Meier, though.

 

[Groo]

I don’t think any of these are realistic, to be honest.

I’d give you Foote + NYI 1st for Meier, though.

Yeah that's a big no thanks

 

[Lunatik]

You’re right but would you rather have 10 million dollar goalie in press box or 11 million dollar 60+ point dman?

I didn't know we were combining point totals for the past two years to call someone a 60+ point player

 

[Hasbro]

The lottery 1st is too valuable to give up and no 2nd this year. Is next year's 2nd enough to entice Seattle to take one contract? Couture? Burns?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

You’re right but would you rather have 10 million dollar goalie in press box or 11 million dollar 60+ point dman?

I'd rather have neither, but it's likely that Driedger gets moved.

And calling Karlsson a 60 point dman at this point is laughable.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The lottery 1st is too valuable to give up and no 2nd this year. Is next year's 2nd enough to entice Seattle to take one contract? Couture? Burns?

A team tearing it down for a rebuild isn’t going to use draft picks to entice a team into taking a contract. It’s roster players or bust.

 

[Peat]

Logan Couture

San Jose- Logan Couture

Pittsburg- Jason Zucker, Marcus Petterson and 2021 1st

The Penguins get a great player to help with that final push. They clearly aren’t looking at the future. Couture makes them a better team.

Well for one thing, we don't have our 1st this year.

For another, we'd be kind of hoping to move one of those guys for no cap back to help ease resigning our RFAs, not trading both for minimal cap relief.

Finally, over the last two seasons, I'm seeing a huge difference between Zucker and Couture numbers wise. Zucker's been more productive and Couture the better possession player, but they're close - and neither's great for a guy getting 13 minutes at 5v5 a night. We don't need Couture's C ability for the foreseeable and while Couture might be a better PP player, we don't have a spot for him. I know players sometimes resurge outside of bad situations but given everything else, I'm not seeing the attraction of making that swap.

So a polite but hard no.

I'd also quickly add that Hextall's talked a lot about rebuilding the pipeline and balancing now against the future. I think the days of us handing our 1sts like wedding favours might be done - certainly for 32 year olds.

 

[TFHockey]

We all know the sharks are in a awful position and there best bet is to tear everything down. Starting from scratch would be the best hope for the sharks. Here are some proposals that I find interesting.

Brent Burns

San Jose- Burns 3 million retained

Edmonton- James Neal, Tyler Benson and 1st 2021

The Oilers get a PP specialtist who’d be unreal on the top PP who can play RHD or
RW

Or

San Jose- Burns 3million retained

Calgary- Milian Lucic, Prospect and 1st 2022

Calgary gets a PP specialist which would help out a lot.



Timo Meier

San Jose- Timo Meier

Edmonton- Kailer Yamamoto and 1st 2022 or 2021

McDavid and Meier is a scary combination.

For the second thread in a short time Oiler fans are almost unanimous in their rejection of a Burns trade to Edmonton. Calgary is welcome to make that deal.

I don't think Meier is worth Yamamoto and a 1st, although Yamamoto is having a down year with only 20 points in 51 games. It seems like he hasn't scored in ages. At least this is something to think about. If it was Yamamoto and a 2nd I think the Oilers bite.

Meier is young enough to actually fit into the core here in Edmonton.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

For the second thread in a short time Oiler fans are almost unanimous in their rejection of a Burns trade to Edmonton. Calgary is welcome to make that deal.

I don't think Meier is worth Yamamoto and a 1st, although Yamamoto is having a down year with only 20 points in 51 games. It seems like he hasn't scored in ages. At least this is something to think about. If it was Yamamoto and a 2nd I think the Oilers bite.

Meier is young enough to actually fit into the core here in Edmonton.

I don’t think any team is getting Meier out of San Jose without paying a 1st round pick. I also can’t see the Sharks valuing Yamamoto very much either.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I didn't know we were combining point totals for the past two years to call someone a 60+ point player

I’d bet my first born son he’d score over 60 in a full 82 games in Florida with ease. I’d be surprised if he didn’t put up a PPG as long as he was given top minutes

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I’d bet my first born son he’d score over 60 in a full 82 games in Florida with ease. I’d be surprised if he didn’t put up a PPG as long as he was given top minutes

LOL. This is not the Erik Karlsson of 5 years ago. His production has been consistently declining since 2016. Dude is broken down and probably also satisfied having signed a $90M contract.

His decline is actually pretty closely mirroring Mike Green.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

LOL. This is not the Erik Karlsson of 5 years ago. His production has been consistently declining since 2016. Dude is broken down and probably also satisfied having signed a $90M contract.

His decline is actually pretty closely mirroring Mike Green.

Green had one good season Karlsson in his prime was one of the best offensive dman in the 21st century. Maybe the best. I believe he’s still the same player but like Laine he’s in a position where he can’t succeed. Dman usually don’t fall off of a cliff at 30

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Green had one good season Karlsson in his prime was one of the best offensive dman in the 21st century. Maybe the best. I believe he’s still the same player but like Laine he’s in a position where he can’t succeed. Dman usually don’t fall off of a cliff at 30

If you look really closely, Green's one good season looks an awful lot like three good seasons... And Dmen do frequently fall off a cliff when they've gone through injury after injury.

Also, this is completely unrelated, but Laine clearly has some kind of confidence issue. Watched the dude last night have a clean shot at the net and pass it right into a Detroit player's skates.

 

[CraigsList]

Calgary doesn’t want to ship Lucic and paying a 2022 1st to do it. You’re out of your mind if you think we’re making a move like that.