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Proposal: San Jose Tear down

Unbiased Fan

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We all know the sharks are in a awful position and there best bet is to tear everything down. Starting from scratch would be the best hope for the sharks. Here are some proposals that I find interesting.

Keep- Vlasic and Jones. No point in moving them as they contribute nothing.

Erik Karlsson

San Jose- Erik Karlsson

Florida- Sergei Bobrovski and 1st 2022

Florida gets rid of a goalie the don’t need that’s blocking Knight. Drieger and Knight is a great tandem at 1/4th the price. Karlsson while overpaid could be a great addition as PP specialist and a solid 5v5 contributor when payed with a defensively competent partner. IMO he’d put up 60+ points easily in Florida. Yandel could also be part of the trade as he becomes redundant.

Or

San Jose- Erik Karlsson

Buffalo- Jeff Skinner, Casey Mittelstad, 2nd 2021 and 2nd 2022

Buffalo gets rid of a useless player being paid 9 million and gets a great partner for Dahlin.

Brent Burns

San Jose- Burns 3 million retained

Edmonton- James Neal, Tyler Benson and 1st 2021

The Oilers get a PP specialtist who’d be unreal on the top PP who can play RHD or
RW

Or

San Jose- Burns 3million retained

Calgary- Milian Lucic, Prospect and 1st 2022

Calgary gets a PP specialist which would help out a lot.

Tomas Hertl

San Jose- Hertl

Colorado- JT Compher or Ryan Graves, Alex Newhook and 1st 2021 or 2022

Endless possibility of trades because any team would love him and he doesn’t have a huge contract. Colorado gets to push Kadri to 3C

Logan Couture

San Jose- Logan Couture

Pittsburg- Jason Zucker, Marcus Petterson and 2021 1st

The Penguins get a great player to help with that final push. They clearly aren’t looking at the future. Couture makes them a better team.

Timo Meier

San Jose- Timo Meier

Edmonton- Kailer Yamamoto and 1st 2022 or 2021

McDavid and Meier is a scary combination.

Test the market for Kane and Leblanc aswell
Maybe something around Rask and DeBrusk + for Evander Kane?
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Lunatik

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Only guys I'd be interested in from a Calgary perspective are Kane, Hertl, Meier, and Lebanc
 
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Unbiased Fan said:
We all know the sharks are in a awful position and there best bet is to tear everything down. Starting from scratch would be the best hope for the sharks. Here are some proposals that I find interesting.

Keep- Vlasic and Jones. No point in moving them as they contribute nothing.

Erik Karlsson

San Jose- Erik Karlsson

Florida- Sergei Bobrovski and 1st 2022

Florida gets rid of a goalie the don’t need that’s blocking Knight. Drieger and Knight is a great tandem at 1/4th the price. Karlsson while overpaid could be a great addition as PP specialist and a solid 5v5 contributor when payed with a defensively competent partner. IMO he’d put up 60+ points easily in Florida. Yandel could also be part of the trade as he becomes redundant.

Or

San Jose- Erik Karlsson

Buffalo- Jeff Skinner, Casey Mittelstad, 2nd 2021 and 2nd 2022

Buffalo gets rid of a useless player being paid 9 million and gets a great partner for Dahlin.

Brent Burns

San Jose- Burns 3 million retained

Edmonton- James Neal, Tyler Benson and 1st 2021

The Oilers get a PP specialtist who’d be unreal on the top PP who can play RHD or
RW

Or

San Jose- Burns 3million retained

Calgary- Milian Lucic, Prospect and 1st 2022

Calgary gets a PP specialist which would help out a lot.

Tomas Hertl

San Jose- Hertl

Colorado- JT Compher or Ryan Graves, Alex Newhook and 1st 2021 or 2022

Endless possibility of trades because any team would love him and he doesn’t have a huge contract. Colorado gets to push Kadri to 3C

Logan Couture

San Jose- Logan Couture

Pittsburg- Jason Zucker, Marcus Petterson and 2021 1st

The Penguins get a great player to help with that final push. They clearly aren’t looking at the future. Couture makes them a better team.

Timo Meier

San Jose- Timo Meier

Edmonton- Kailer Yamamoto and 1st 2022 or 2021

McDavid and Meier is a scary combination.

Test the market for Kane and Leblanc aswell
Maybe something around Rask and DeBrusk + for Evander Kane?
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Why would Bob willingly leave Florida? How are the Sharks getting a 1st from the Panthers? Skinner also has a NMC, and specifically wanted to be in that geographic area. He's not going to SJ.

They're not getting any quality assets for Burns. The Sharks would have to pay for the Oilers or Flames to take him, even with the contracts of Neal or Lucic going the other way.

Hertl, Meier, they could trade them. Not getting a 1st for Couture though. It would probably be just Zucker and Pettersson.
 

Irie

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Unbiased Fan said:
Or

San Jose- Erik Karlsson

Buffalo- Jeff Skinner, Casey Mittelstad, 2nd 2021 and 2nd 2022

Buffalo gets rid of a useless player being paid 9 million and gets a great partner for Dahlin.
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As a fan of both teams, for San Jose I make this trade everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, From Buffalo's perspective, I can't hang up on Doug Wilson fast enough.

As much as Buffalo would love to get out if Skinner's contract, the kid has been putting in the effort on a nightly basis playing with 3rd and 4th liners for some reason since krueger was hired with very little PP time, and he's been extremely snake bitten(7 goals on 6.3% shooting percentage). I feel if he is moved back to Eichels wing, he easily pots 25+. He will never be worth his ridiculous contract, but he's 2.5 Million cheaper than Karlsson, and unfortunately, EK looks to be completely done defensively.

Add in the fact that Mittelstadt is finally developing the way everyone hoped he might, and the Sabres are adding the 32OA pick, plus next years 2nd and it is an easy pass.

From the Sharks standpoint, there is literally not a single contract in the league that I wouldn't trade Karlsson straight up for at this point. Wilson bid against himself on that 8 year disaster, and short of a compliance buyout, I am afraid San Jose is stuck with that nightmare contract till it expires.
 

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1. You aren't getting rid of Karlsson for Bobrovsky and getting a 1st out of it.

2. You aren't getting Casey Mittelstad, 2nd 2021 and 2nd 2022 and saving 13.5M just because Karlsson is more useful than Skinner. Yeah, Skinner is pretty bad, but the buyout on Skinner is 17M cheaper too.

3. Edmonton doesn't add salary for 2 years (because they got rid of Neal) and gets a 36 yr old, but still a high quality defender. I'm sure they'd like that. What do they have to give up for that? Edmonton has to give up Benson, a 1st, and has to take on 2 more years @ 5M for a 38 yr old Burns. LOL, Not gong to happen. They'll just buy out Neal

4. See above. No one is going to do that.

5. Hertl, 1 year away from UFA, is going to return a 1st and a prospect. Because that has been the price for a high quality rental since the dawn of time. Not what you just suggested. Sorry.

6. Zucker has bene scoring at close to the same rate as Couture for 2 seasons and is paid 2.5M less per year than Couture and isn't signed for 6 more years until he's 38. I don't think they're going to give up Petterson and a 1st for that.

7. Edmonton does not have the cap space to add a 6M in salary. That said, Yams probably and a 1st isn't an outrageous of a price if Edmonton really wanted Meier. Personally, If I was bordering on cap problems, I'd stick with teh cheaper players, but maybe Edmonton wants to "go for it" and doesn't like Yams
 
John Mandalorian

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It’s difficult with all the limitations on trading any contracts.

I’d try places that are also an appealing places to live. I’m thinking Miami. You’re not just appealing to the players but also their wives. If there’s one place that’s more appealing, especially for people with money, it might be Miami.

With that in mind, I go to Erik Karlsson and sell him on the idea of warm weather and fun shopping for his wife. Plus I mention that they’re in win now mode and a player of his considerable skill could really make that situation special.

If he’s interested, I go to Miami and agree to take back Yandle, Strålman, and picks/prospects.

I would try something similar with Kane/Hertl/Meier using the same logic. But in this case I’m looking for picks/prospects.
 
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Pinkfloyd

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Tearing it down entirely is not realistic. Karlsson and Vlasic have NMC's. Burns, Couture, Kane, Hertl, and Jones all have three team trade lists. They've been able to be this terrible with them so any deal that involves them paying to move a contract seems counterproductive to a rebuild. If the Sharks fancy themselves a competing team then yeah that can be put on the table but that's not the premise of this thread.

There's no way the Sharks retain 3 mil on anyone with more than a year to go. Most will be 2 mil in that situation.
 
Samsquanch

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Pinkfloyd said:
Sharks won't be paying anyone to take Karlsson.
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Which means hes not going anywhere then for certain.

As someone who was one of his biggest fans of him while he was in his prime, the current version of EK at 11m/yr is a complete albatross of a contract.

He could still contribute or even thrive in the right circumstances. But no team in the league would give an an asset up AND take the risk of EK and his anchor of a contract without getting some kind of incentive in return.

The length of his contract and the cap hit compounded by the flat cap for the next couple years, and the complete uncertainty that Karlsson wont regress further or haver chemistry on his new team - hes probably only next to Bobrovsky in terms of untradeable players. And Skinner too I suppose.

What a sad story for what was an incredibly dominant player not that long ago.
 
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