Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building | Monday, February 26

[ColePens]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	75,129,309​
Projected LTIR Used	531,741​
Approximate cap space	$402,432​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.	Age	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan	C​	25​	2,075,000​	RFA​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C/RW​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Jamie Oleksiak	D​	25​	964,688​	RFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​

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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.	Age	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.	Age	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Michael Leighton	G​	36​	650,000​	UFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.	Age	Current team	Contract
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.	Age	Current team
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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Data Source

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[Ogrezilla]

so using WC's list here

Staal: 258 GP, 109 ES PTS (.42 ESP/G)
Couture: 257 GP, 118 ES PTS (.46 ESP/G)
Little: 241 GP, 118 ES PTS (.49 ESP/G)
Stastny: 261 GP, 126 ES PTS (.48 ESP/G)
ROR: 278 GP, 132 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Giroux: 295 GP, 135 ES PTS (.46 ESP/G)
Johansen: 294 GP, 138 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Sedin: 293 GP, 139 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Bergeron: 287 GP, 140 ES PTS (.48 ESP/G)

How can anyone be calling Sheahan's .40 ESP/G as a hole in our line-up at 3C? I don't care if he plays with Kessel. This is still a guy getting 3rd line ice time scoring just below some solid top 6 centers. There's just no way you can look at that and say he's doing anything worse than a pretty good job.

 

[Ryder71]

But dude, you have to look at the "totality of things" and that's the only way to get an "accurate picture".

Why is this a funny concept to you? Any reasonably intelligent person should factor all variables into an equation to arrive at an informed conclusion. That's perfectly logical and makes all the sense in the world. When you cherry pick only stats that fit your narrative, you're distorting the truth.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Why is this a funny concept to you? Any reasonably intelligent person should factor all variables into an equation to arrive at an informed conclusion. That's perfectly logical and makes all the sense in the world. When you cherry pick only stats that fit your narrative, you're distorting the truth.

sure. But sometimes one set of data is simply more important than the rest of the data, even when it's a smaller sample. That's obviously the case when a guy changes teams like this. Sheahan's half season of stats playing with the Penguins are more telling of how he plays with the Penguins than 5 seasons worth of data in Detroit.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

so using WC's list here

Staal: 258 GP, 109 ES PTS (.42 ESP/G)
Couture: 257 GP, 118 ES PTS (.46 ESP/G)
Little: 241 GP, 118 ES PTS (.49 ESP/G)
Stastny: 261 GP, 126 ES PTS (.48 ESP/G)
ROR: 278 GP, 132 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Giroux: 295 GP, 135 ES PTS (.46 ESP/G)
Johansen: 294 GP, 138 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Sedin: 293 GP, 139 ES PTS (.47 ESP/G)
Bergeron: 287 GP, 140 ES PTS (.48 ESP/G)

How can anyone be calling Sheahan's .40 ESP/G as a hole in our line-up at 3C? I don't care if he plays with Kessel. This is still a guy getting 3rd line ice time scoring just below some solid top 6 centers. There's just no way you can look at that and say he's doing anything worse than a pretty good job.

That's over a 4 year sample size with all the attendant highs and lows, not a ~50 game sample size with Kessel where even Sheahan's biggest admirers admit they haven't worked well together.

 

[Riptide]

Why is this a funny concept to you? Any reasonably intelligent person should factor all variables into an equation to arrive at an informed conclusion. That's perfectly logical and makes all the sense in the world. When you cherry pick only stats that fit your narrative, you're distorting the truth.

Exactly. Gotta include all those PP points from PP minutes we know they won't get to arrive at an accurate representation of what they'll do here should we acquire them.

I mean it's completely logical to assume that a player who's worse then Guentzel, who gets more PP minutes on their current team on their #1PP then Guentzel gets here will absolutely have the same success on the PP here should we acquire him. Perfectly logical and makes all the sense in the world.

Oh wait... they had a drop off in production because they didn't get any PP minutes in their new situation (say like Bonino 17/18)... say it ain't so. Gawd what a shitty player.

 

[Ryder71]

sure. But sometimes one set of data is simply more important than the rest of the data, even when it's a smaller sample. That's obviously the case when a guy changes teams like this. Sheahan's half season of stats playing with the Penguins are more telling of how he plays with the Penguins than 5 seasons worth of data in Detroit.

Weighing something more heavily is one thing. Completely disregarding the things you don't like is quite another.

Case in point, Sheahan over his last seven games has six points or something along those lines, the previous 10 or so games he had two points, or something along those lines. You can't just take the numbers you like and completely disregard everything else. That's not how you properly debate a matter.

 

[Ogrezilla]

That's over a 4 year sample size with all the attendant highs and lows, not a ~50 game sample size with Kessel where even Sheahan's biggest admirers admit they haven't worked well together.

Sure, it's a short sample. But people aren't arguing that it won't keep working, they are arguing that it's NOT working. Sheahan is producing better than Bones' in his time in Pittsburgh (.35), and only .01 behind Bones first year here (.41) which obviously includes his HBK run.

Saying Sheahan's production isn't good enough for a 3rd line is just ridiculous. Could we do better? Sure. That'd be great. But it's just silly to say Sheahan is a hole in the line-up at this point.

 

[Ryder71]

Exactly. Gotta include all those PP points from PP minutes we know they won't get to arrive at an accurate representation of what they'll do here should we acquire them.

I mean it's completely logical to assume that a player who's worse then Guentzel, who gets more PP minutes on their current team on their #1PP then Guentzel gets here will absolutely have the same success on the PP here should we acquire him. Perfectly logical and makes all the sense in the world.

Stop being a clown, seriously. I'm speaking in general terms here. If you don't take all aspects into account then you're not debating the subject accurately or in a fair minded manner. You can have an agenda, just be honest about it. And I don't believe you are. Stop cherry picking.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Sure, it's a short sample. But people aren't arguing that it won't keep working, they are arguing that it's NOT working. That's better than Bones' time in Pittsburgh, and only .01 behind Bones first year here which obviously includes his HBK run.

...and the MJ "run".

Do you think that 3rd line is working? We're accomplishing our objective of rolling 3 scoring lines when we split up our superstars?

 

[Ogrezilla]

...and the MJ "run".

Do you think that 3rd line is working? We're accomplishing our objective of rolling 3 scoring lines when we split up our superstars?

maybe we should stop splitting up our superstars then.

Maybe our 3rd line is a bad match and we should get a different 3C because of that. But Sheahan is certainly producing like a 3rd line center this year. To say otherwise is just incorrect. To say we have a hole at 3C is just incorrect.

 

[Ryder71]

Sure, it's a short sample. But people aren't arguing that it won't keep working, they are arguing that it's NOT working. Sheahan is producing better than Bones' in his time in Pittsburgh (.35), and only .01 behind Bones first year here (.41) which obviously includes his HBK run.

Saying Sheahan's production isn't good enough for a 3rd line is just ridiculous. Could we do better? Sure. That'd be great. But it's just silly to say Sheahan is a hole in the line-up at this point.

Sheahans playing well of late no argument there. But he's streaky and no matter how you slice it his goal production is abysmal. I like Sheahan, but I'm hoping for better.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Saying you need to upgrade on someone who's having a good season right now because they weren't as good in past seasons seems pretty flawed to me.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Sheahans playing well of late no argument there. But he's streaky and no matter how you slice it his goal production is abysmal. I like Sheahan, but I'm hoping for better.

I still don't really care about the difference between points and goals.

I'm not trying to say we shouldn't try to get better. We should always try to get better, and 3C is a spot we could do it. But Sheahan's "struggles" at 3C are being greatly exaggerated imo. He's been good. People want elite.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

maybe we should stop splitting up our superstars then.

You're advocating limiting our match-up options considerably. And if we stop splitting up our superstars, we ain't gonna be getting .40 ESP/G from RS either.

Maybe our 3rd line is a bad match and we should get a different 3C because of that. But Sheahan is certainly producing like a 3rd line center this year.

He is producing like a lower-end 3rd line center playing regularly with Phil Kessel.

 

[Ryder71]

I still don't really care about the difference between points and goals.

Well I do. And again he is streaky, at least in his time here. And since that's what matters to you and some others, that should be a bit of a concern, yes? Scoring a point a game his last handful of games is awesome, but what about some of the long droughts he's experienced here?

 

[ColePens]

You're advocating limiting our match-up options considerably. And if we stop splitting up our superstars, we ain't gonna be getting .40 ESP/G from RS either.



He is producing like a lower-end 3rd line center playing regularly with Phil Kessel.

I am BEYOND shocked this even remains a conversation here. We have all agreed that we like Sheahan's game, but to maximize Pittsburgh, Kessel gets his own line. We all agree Sheahan doesn't mesh with Kessel. Sheahan is a defensive style center that I'd LOVE to have on the 4th line.

I just can't believe people even argue this anymore. It seemed universally agreed upon and then out of nowhere people spark these debates. It makes zerrrro sense.

Gun to my head - I would have just rather re-signed Bones. I'd take the crappy term because at least I know he works with Kessel and performs when it matters the most.

 

[Ogrezilla]

You're advocating limiting our match-up options considerably. And if we stop splitting up our superstars, we ain't gonna be getting .40 ESP/G from RS either.



He is producing like a lower-end 3rd line center playing regularly with Phil Kessel.

you just showed that he's scoring just below a group of 1st and 2nd line centers. I'm confused.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Well I do. And again he is streaky, at least in his time here. And since that's what matters to you and some others, that should be a bit of a concern, yes? Scoring a point a game his last handful of games is awesome, but what about some of the long droughts he's experienced here?

Every player who scores in the 30 point range is like that. Every single one. Bones was like that. I'm sure Pageau is like that.

 

[Ryder71]

I'm not trying to say we shouldn't try to get better. We should always try to get better, and 3C is a spot we could do it. But Sheahan's "struggles" at 3C are being greatly exaggerated imo. He's been good. People want elite.

I don't think he's bad, I never did. But where I disagree with some is where in the line up he affords us the best opportunity to win. And 4C IMO is the best place for him to be. It doesn't mean he can't play third line pivot, but I don't think that gives us the best chance to win come playoff time.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I am BEYOND shocked this even remains a conversation here. We have all agreed that we like Sheahan's game, but to maximize Pittsburgh, Kessel gets his own line. We all agree Sheahan doesn't mesh with Kessel. Sheahan is a defensive style center that I'd LOVE to have on the 4th line.

I just can't believe people even argue this anymore. It seemed universally agreed upon and then out of nowhere people spark these debates. It makes zerrrro sense.

Gun to my head - I would have just rather re-signed Bones. I'd take the crappy term because at least I know he works with Kessel and performs when it matters the most.

nobody is saying we shouldn't upgrade 3C.

I don't think he's bad, I never did. But where I disagree with some is where in the line up he affords us the best opportunity to win. And 4C IMO is the best place for him to be. It doesn't mean he can't play third line pivot, but I don't think that gives us the best chance to win come playoff time.

nobody here is disagreeing with that. We are disagreeing with this notion that he is some gaping hole in our line-up at 3C.

 

[Ryder71]

Every player who scores in the 30 point range is like that. Every single one. Bones was like that. I'm sure Pageau is like that.

I have actually watched a good number of SENS games lately. And TBH I'm not enamored with Pageau anymore. He's looked very vanilla lately. With that said Karlsson hasn't looked all that good either. But at this point I'm not clamoring for Pageau. I haven't mentioned him in a couple of weeks.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Gun to my head - I would have just rather re-signed Bones. I'd take the crappy term because at least I know he works with Kessel and performs when it matters the most.

I would 100% take Sheahan at $2 million over Bonino at $4 million, not even remotely a question in my mind.

nobody is saying we shouldn't upgrade 3C.

I don't think it's "necessary" to upgrade the 3C spot. You need to upgrade the 4C spot, which can be done by getting someone to push Sheahan to that spot.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I have actually watched a good number of SENS games lately. And TBH I'm not enamored with Pageau anymore. He's looked very vanilla lately. With that said Karlsson hasn't looked all that good either. But at this point I'm not clamoring for Pageau. I haven't mentioned him in a couple of weeks.

so keep adding 30ish point players to that list that you do like, and I bet they are streaky too. That's my point.

 

[ColePens]

nobody is saying we shouldn't upgrade 3C.

nobody here is disagreeing with that.

So 5g, 15a in 55 games, right? 55.5 faceoff percentage, which is damn awesome. RFA next year.

Do you sign him? If so - to what? Anything 2 and over, i'd let walk.