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[Harvey Birdman]

No way the Pens do that. Sprong can’t be set down and they are not going to just sit a player and ruin is development after scoring 32 goals as a 20 year old in his rookie AHL season. Sprong is in the lineup or in a trade before the season.

I will say this, the team is loaded with fights at every position. Those forward battles will be interesting to watch.

It is early in the morning, brain farted on Sprong... So...

Guentzel - Crosby - Hornqvist
Brassard - Malkin - Kessel
Rust - Sheahan - Sprong
Hagelin - Cullen/Grant - Grant/Cullen
13th Simon

 

[pistolpete11]

If we traded for Skinner, we sure as hell wouldn't just let him go at the end of the year.

How do they afford that long term, especially with Guentzel and Murray needing to be resigned in the next couple of years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

How do they afford that long term, especially with Guentzel and Murray needing to be resigned in the next couple of years.

If Skinner's in, Kessel's out by next summer at the latest.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

No way the Pens do that. Sprong can’t be set down and they are not going to just sit a player and ruin is development after scoring 32 goals as a 20 year old in his rookie AHL season. Sprong is in the lineup or in a trade before the season.

I will say this, the team is loaded with fights at every position. Those forward battles will be interesting to watch.

I love when your posts are succinct. Please continue in this way, and I'll continue to read them.

 

[pistolpete11]

If Skinner's in, Kessel's out by next summer at the latest.

I'd rather have Kessel.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'd rather have Kessel.

Skinner's 5 years younger than Kessel and has outscored him at ES over the last 3 years...on Carolina, with nothing close to the centers we have here.

Now think about our other 1st PP options if Kessel left. We have Guentzel, Skinner, and Sprong.

 

[Andy99]

I'd rather have Kessel.

Skinner...younger, better at ES...the issue however with trading Phil is that it’s easier said than done, especially when teams know you have to trade him because of the cap implications...we’ll be getting pennies on the $ back...likely a couple of mediocre young prospects but maybe that’s enough....

 

[Harvey Birdman]

It's also getting a team to trade for Kessel that is on his 8 team trade list.

 

[Tom Hanks]

It's also getting a team to trade for Kessel that is on his 8 team trade list.

He can waive as well so that would open up some more teams.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Skinner's 5 years younger than Kessel and has outscored him at ES over the last 3 years...on Carolina, with nothing close to the centers we have here.

Now think about our other 1st PP options if Kessel left. We have Guentzel, Skinner, and Sprong.

Our PP wouldn’t be as good without Kessel. He’s pretty much the QB but we were number 1 so even a slight drop and we’d still be lethal.

 

[Gurglesons]

Our PP wouldn’t be as good without Kessel. He’s pretty much the QB but we were number 1 so even a slight drop and we’d still be lethal.

I don’t think you have to worry about a PP with Crosby, Malkin, Hornqvist and Letang or Schultz producing regardless of the 5th man.

Not to mention Skinner can actually one time a puck.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Our PP wouldn’t be as good without Kessel. He’s pretty much the QB but we were number 1 so even a slight drop and we’d still be lethal.

Yep. There would be a dip on the PP but I think we can accommodate that, and the other options it opens up make it worth exploring.

 

[Coach Travis]

People on the Anaheim Ducks board saying Grant impressed them in the beginning of last season when Getzlaf and Kesler went down. He did shoot 18% so his 12 goals in 66 games is a bit inflated. But if he can approach 10 goals this season, I’d be very happy with that.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

He can waive as well so that would open up some more teams.

Can and would are two different things, and I am never willing to make that assumption.

 

[chethejet]

After this year, Kessel has a three year term with 5.1 million per is actual salary. Yes the AAV is 6.8 with retention. But the actual cash outlay is very attractive for a contending team.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

Skinner's 5 years younger than Kessel and has outscored him at ES over the last 3 years...on Carolina, with nothing close to the centers we have here.

Now think about our other 1st PP options if Kessel left. We have Guentzel, Skinner, and Sprong.

Only Sprong is a righty though, a lefty can't effectively play Kessel's spot on the PP. But if Kessel is gone, the whole PP needs a rework, and with Schultz potentially gone the following offseason, the problem compounds.

But yeah, if we get Skinner, I'd think Kessel would have to be gone next summer, a trade we'd end up losing in terms of immediate NHL assets and would mostly just create cap space and give us trade fodder futures. And then we'd need to extend Schultz to ensure we at least had a capable RHD for the PP moving forward.

A lot rides on Sprong.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Can and would are two different things, and I am never willing to make that assumption.

He allegedly was ok going to Arizona. One of the TSN (I think) guys said he’d be open to a move too. Obviously it has to work for him but I can see it.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

He allegedly was ok going to Arizona. One of the TSN (I think) guys said he’d be open to a move too. Obviously it has to work for him but I can see it.

If he is fine with going to Arizona to be back under Tocchet then I would imagine he would make the Coyotes one of his 8 teams.

 

[mpp9]

At the very least I’d drive the price up on Patches and Skinner just to f*** over Chicago.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Only Sprong is a righty though, a lefty can't effectively play Kessel's spot on the PP. But if Kessel is gone, the whole PP needs a rework, and with Schultz potentially gone the following offseason, the problem compounds.

But yeah, if we get Skinner, I'd think Kessel would have to be gone next summer, a trade we'd end up losing in terms of immediate NHL assets and would mostly just create cap space and give us trade fodder futures. And then we'd need to extend Schultz to ensure we at least had a capable RHD for the PP moving forward.

A lot rides on Sprong.

An LH shot can, he just isn't ideal because you don't have that shooting angle. Neal was very productive in that role, and I'd assume Guentzel or Skinner could be if given the opportunity. Sprong would be the natural fit there though.

We ought to be re-signing Schultz regardless of what happens with the rest of the roster.

Ultimately, my Skinner/Kessel calculation is that we'd be giving up a fair bit less for an impending UFA Skinner than we'd be getting back for a signed Kessel, and getting younger and better at ES in the process.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

An LH shot can, he just isn't ideal because you don't have that shooting angle. Neal was very productive in that role, and I'd assume Guentzel or Skinner could be if given the opportunity. Sprong would be the natural fit there though.

We ought to be re-signing Schultz regardless of what happens with the rest of the roster.

Ultimately, my Skinner/Kessel calculation is that we'd be giving up a fair bit less for an impending UFA Skinner than we'd be getting back for a signed Kessel, and getting younger and better at ES in the process.

I don't think JR is offering the world for Skinner, I can assume our 1st next year and a middling prospect is probably about it. And I don't think he should be offering more, Skinner can control where he goes like Iginla did. I just hope it's not a trade deadline deal, players never seem to have a chance to get acclimated.

And I agree about Schultz. They really should do an extension next summer.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't think JR is offering the world for Skinner, I can assume our 1st next year and a middling prospect is probably about it. And I don't think he should be offering more, Skinner can control where he goes like Iginla did. I just hope it's not a trade deadline deal, players never seem to have a chance to get acclimated.

And I agree about Schultz. They really should do an extension next summer.

Yeah, I don't think we're offering the world for Skinner either. But we have to send some salary back so I assume one of Brassard or Hags would be involved, plus a 1st and a middling prospect, like you say.

 

[Gurglesons]

An LH shot can, he just isn't ideal because you don't have that shooting angle. Neal was very productive in that role, and I'd assume Guentzel or Skinner could be if given the opportunity. Sprong would be the natural fit there though.

We ought to be re-signing Schultz regardless of what happens with the rest of the roster.

Ultimately, my Skinner/Kessel calculation is that we'd be giving up a fair bit less for an impending UFA Skinner than we'd be getting back for a signed Kessel, and getting younger and better at ES in the process.

Unless we move Letang, don’t see how we are resigning Schultz unless he has some bad years.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, I don't think we're offering the world for Skinner either. But we have to send some salary back so I assume one of Brassard or Hags would be involved, plus a 1st and a middling prospect, like you say.

I also think you’ll have to convince Carolina to trade Skinner in division

 

[AjaxTelamon]

Yeah, I don't think we're offering the world for Skinner either. But we have to send some salary back so I assume one of Brassard or Hags would be involved, plus a 1st and a middling prospect, like you say.

Yeah that's true about the salary, I'd just hate to send Brass plus the 1st. We've got a lot wrapped up in Brass, and he's a pretty darn good player. An even-up swap with Brass who is then extended by Carolina makes sense. I doubt Brass would be willing to sign something now, but who knows.