Salary Cap Crunch Part 2- The Capocalypse

[bwana63]

Sabres fan here.

Given the cap situation is getting a bit more muddled as the days go by, I'm curious if this piques your interest (an offseason deal, obviously):

To Buffalo: Patrick Kane, Bryan Bickell
To Chicago: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligino, McCabe, 2x 2015 1sts (St Louis+ NYI), and your choice of any forward prospect not named Reinhart.

Wet dream.

 

[Hawkscap]

Sabres fan here.

Given the cap situation is getting a bit more muddled as the days go by, I'm curious if this piques your interest (an offseason deal, obviously):

To Buffalo: Patrick Kane, Bryan Bickell
To Chicago: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligino, McCabe, 2x 2015 1sts (St Louis+ NYI), and your choice of any forward prospect not named Reinhart.

 

[hawksrule]

It's an easy no.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I would do Kane + 1st for Miller if he was still a Sabre

 

[hawksrule]

I would do Kane + 1st for Miller if he was still a Sabre

yeah, too bad that opportunity's no longer available.

 

[Kurtosis]

Sabres fan here.

Given the cap situation is getting a bit more muddled as the days go by, I'm curious if this piques your interest (an offseason deal, obviously):

To Buffalo: Patrick Kane, Bryan Bickell
To Chicago: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligino, McCabe, 2x 2015 1sts (St Louis+ NYI), and your choice of any forward prospect not named Reinhart.

McCabe seals it. Sold.

 

[Hawkaholic]

If we are trading Kane, we are getting BUF's 1st 2015, Reinhart, and Rasmussen.

 

[hisgirlfriday]

You ask for Patrick Kane but we can't ask for Reinhart?

 

[Kurtosis]

Guys, the Hawks are potentially getting McCabe. We can't ask for the moon.

 

[Kurtosis]

Seriously though...

 

[TehDoak]

You ask for Patrick Kane but we can't ask for Reinhart?

Haha. I was just curious if there was ANY appetite at all for a potential Kane move from the Hawks POV. I'm assuming the answer is no, based the response.

I'd be open in a Reinhart + for Kane move, but it'd be a much different trade than "all the things" I posted earlier.

 

[hisgirlfriday]

Haha. I was just curious if there was ANY appetite at all for a potential Kane move from the Hawks POV. I'm assuming the answer is no, based the response.

I'd be open in a Reinhart + for Kane move, but it'd be a much different trade than "all the things" I posted earlier.

Kane is our leading scorer this season by a long shot and currently in 2nd place in the Art Ross race.

Just curious why would you think there would be an appetite for a potential Kane move?

 

[bwana63]

Haha. I was just curious if there was ANY appetite at all for a potential Kane move from the Hawks POV. I'm assuming the answer is no, based the response.

Kane is untouchable. EOS.

There may be a parting of the ways, but not until his twilight years.

 

[TehDoak]

Kane is our leading scorer this season by a long shot and currently in 2nd place in the Art Ross race.

Just curious why would you think there would be an appetite for a potential Kane move?

Kane is untouchable. EOS.

There may be a parting of the ways, but not until his twilight years.

The slowly rising salary cap + the ability to keep a contending team together when you have 21 million of a 73 million cap tied up in two players.

 

[Hawkaholic]

The slowly rising salary cap + the ability to keep a contending team together when you have 21 million of a 73 million cap tied up in two players.

Then we get rid of everyone except Toews and Kane.

 

[bwana63]

Then we get rid of everyone except Toews and Kane.

Yup. Toews, Kane and beer leaguers.

 

[Easton Modano Curve]

The slowly rising salary cap + the ability to keep a contending team together when you have 21 million of a 73 million cap tied up in two players.

The trade you proposed does not help Chicago keep a contending team together...it removes the best offensive player without offering someone to fill the role.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Sabres fan here.

Given the cap situation is getting a bit more muddled as the days go by, I'm curious if this piques your interest (an offseason deal, obviously):

To Buffalo: Patrick Kane, Bryan Bickell
To Chicago: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligino, McCabe, 2x 2015 1sts (St Louis+ NYI), and your choice of any forward prospect not named Reinhart.

LMAO.
good one

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

The slowly rising salary cap + the ability to keep a contending team together when you have 21 million of a 73 million cap tied up in two players.

No Kane = No cups.

I don't care who else is on our roster.

 

[H a w k s*]

Sabres fan here.

Given the cap situation is getting a bit more muddled as the days go by, I'm curious if this piques your interest (an offseason deal, obviously):

To Buffalo: Patrick Kane, Bryan Bickell
To Chicago: Tyler Ennis, Marcus Foligino, McCabe, 2x 2015 1sts (St Louis+ NYI), and your choice of any forward prospect not named Reinhart.

To answer your question. no

 

[H a w k s*]

McCabe? Meh, is can we trade him for a karpotsev who is currently a bottom pairing D in the ECHL?

 

[JaegerDice]

Dislike.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2015/1/31/eyes-on-the-dollar-chicago-blackhawks

 

[zac]

I'm curious, for those of you cap experts, if it's within the CBA to structure salary based on percentage of the cap. Say for instance we had been able to sign Kane and Toews for 13% of the team cap figure. That would put them in the 9 million range for the first few years, but likely higher as the cap (conceivably) continues to rise. This guarantees 2 things: one is your players are making "market value" as the cap changes, while it also protects the team (short term especially) if the cap unexpectedly goes down.

No on has structured a contract like this to my knowledge, but it seems like it would be something that would work. I'm just not sure if it's allowable or not.

Toews, Kane and Bowman really screwed us. 9-9.5 million would have been more than fair while also giving this team much needed money. With the amount of exposure (sponsorship $$) they receive here, the that extra 1-1.5 million per was much more valuable to the team than it was for them.

 

[JaegerDice]

I'm curious, for those of you cap experts, if it's within the CBA to structure salary based on percentage of the cap. Say for instance we had been able to sign Kane and Toews for 13% of the team cap figure. That would put them in the 9 million range for the first few years, but likely higher as the cap (conceivably) continues to rise. This guarantees 2 things: one is your players are making "market value" as the cap changes, while it also protects the team (short term especially) if the cap unexpectedly goes down.

No on has structured a contract like this to my knowledge, but it seems like it would be something that would work. I'm just not sure if it's allowable or not.

Toews, Kane and Bowman really screwed us. 9-9.5 million would have been more than fair while also giving this team much needed money. With the amount of exposure (sponsorship $$) they receive here, the that extra 1-1.5 million per was much more valuable to the team than it was for them.

I'm not sure it's possible, but I doubt any GM would ever do it even if it was, because they all want the percentage of the cap each contract is eating to decrease over time, especially with long-term contracts where the players output is likely to fall off as he ages.

As far as the marketing dollars, the Blackhawks don't pay Kane and Toews a separate check for their marketing duties. They get extra money from external contracts, like car advertisements and the like, but the Blackhawks-related marketing is included as part of their hockey contracts, as per the CBA.

So sadly, there was no way to say 'here's 9 million for your on-ice value to the team, and here's a separate 1.5 million that doesn't count to the cap for your marketing/branding contributions'.

That was the real problem. Is that Kane and Toews value to the Blackhawks right now goes beyond on-ice performance. Purely as hockey players, they're worth 9 million. But as faces of the franchise, they're worth 10.5.

But yeah, most of Bowman's UFA and RFA signings have been overly generous. Kane and Toews are just the latest and most egregious examples.

 

[Bubba88]

That Sabres deal would start with Reinhard and Ristolainen... and a 1st... while taking Bickell