Former Bruins Ryan Donato - II

[KrejciWinger]

Come on, now. That’s a little bit disingenuous, to say the least.

1. Vatrano is short and stocky, Donato is taller and more of a wirey-build.

2. Donato has much softer hands than Vatrano, who handles the puck like it’s a hand grenade.

3. Although Donato isn’t the greatest skater, he’s already better than Vatrano if you ask me. Vatrano isn’t very nimble on his feet and he skates more like a straight-line grinder than anything. Donato is more agile and athletic on his skates.

4. Vatrano doesn’t have the ability to take over the offensive-zone with his vision or distribution, whereas Donato most certainly possesses those abilities. We’ve seen it, both in his stint last year and in bursts this year.

5. While I think Donato had a disappointing start, he just wasn’t ready yet and needed some time. That, and he was being relied on for far too much. Since returning after being in Providence, he’s looked like a much better player.

6. Be patient with Donato, he’s much more talented than Vatrano, even on his worst days.

This where your bias shows. With your wording it sounds as if Donato is a 1st line scorer while Vatrano can't play hockey.

1. Donato certainly doesn't play bigger. Vatrano always had snarl, if a little too much.

2. Agreed

3. This you are simply making up. While neither can fly at straight line speed, Vatrano/Spooner was a duo that could penetrate (and get stuck on D). Donato has failed to keep up with 74/46, as seen when Butch quickly goes back to Nordstrom.

4. Neither take over the offensive zone or they would be full time NHL. They are both shooting specialists.

5. Whatever way Donato is playing "better" is still outdone by Vatrano's ok production.

6. I favored Vatrano throughout my points but my point is they are more or less the same player. Saying otherwise is wearing the black & gold glasses.

 

[Oates2Neely]

He’s Frank Vatrano

Vatrano has an NHL wrist shot. And that’s about all he had. To boot he was lazy & didn’t put any effort into training and nutrition. He was a notorious slacker

 

[Oates2Neely]

Who is giving up on him? Personally, I just wanted him to go down to PRO for the year and work on developing his game against lesser pros before jumping to the NHL.

I see his name in trade proposals often. He shouldn’t be moved unless it’s for a sure fire upgrade with term

 

[Over the volcano]

This where your bias shows. With your wording it sounds as if Donato is a 1st line scorer while Vatrano can't play hockey.

1. Donato certainly doesn't play bigger. Vatrano always had snarl, if a little too much.

2. Agreed

3. This you are simply making up. While neither can fly at straight line speed, Vatrano/Spooner was a duo that could penetrate (and get stuck on D). Donato has failed to keep up with 74/46, as seen when Butch quickly goes back to Nordstrom.

4. Neither take over the offensive zone or they would be full time NHL. They are both shooting specialists.

5. Whatever way Donato is playing "better" is still outdone by Vatrano's ok production.

6. I favored Vatrano throughout my points but my point is they are more or less the same player. Saying otherwise is wearing the black & gold glasses.

I'm a big fan of Vatrano, but he's about a hemisphere away from "snarl".

 

[BruinsNetwork]

This where your bias shows. With your wording it sounds as if Donato is a 1st line scorer while Vatrano can't play hockey.

1. Donato certainly doesn't play bigger. Vatrano always had snarl, if a little too much.

2. Agreed

3. This you are simply making up. While neither can fly at straight line speed, Vatrano/Spooner was a duo that could penetrate (and get stuck on D). Donato has failed to keep up with 74/46, as seen when Butch quickly goes back to Nordstrom.

4. Neither take over the offensive zone or they would be full time NHL. They are both shooting specialists.

5. Whatever way Donato is playing "better" is still outdone by Vatrano's ok production.

6. I favored Vatrano throughout my points but my point is they are more or less the same player. Saying otherwise is wearing the black & gold glasses.

I raise points in #3 that are of my own analysis and provide reasons why I think Donato and Vatrano are different players. I’m “making it up” because it differs from your opinion? Noted.

I give reasons why I think Donato is a better player, and more talent than Vatrano, and I’m wearing “black & gold glasses.” Meanwhile you state saying anything “otherwise” than your point would be invalid. Noted.

Good talk.

 

[KrejciWinger]

I raise points in #3 that are of my own analysis and provide reasons why I think Donato and Vatrano are different players. I’m “making it up” because it differs from your opinion? Noted.

I give reasons why I think Donato is a better player, and more talent than Vatrano, and I’m wearing “black & gold glasses.” Meanwhile you state saying anything “otherwise” than your point would be invalid. Noted.

Good talk.

You put donato on a pedestal.
Donato has 3G 2A in 19GP
Vatrano has 8G 3A in 30GP

Vatrano is small, donato plays small. Both are obviously shoot first players who have yet to find their groove in the NHL.

Saying otherwise is indeed favoring the current bruin. And of course my opinion is nearly worthless, I'm one of many posters on this board. Im not sure how your "analysis" gives you extra credibility.

 

[Over the volcano]

You put donato on a pedestal.
Donato has 3G 2A in 19GP
Vatrano has 8G 3A in 30GP

Vatrano is small, donato plays small. Both are obviously shoot first players who have yet to find their groove in the NHL.

Saying otherwise is indeed favoring the current bruin. And of course my opinion is nearly worthless, I'm one of many posters on this board. Im not sure how your "analysis" gives you extra credibility.

Vatrano’s got a couple years on Donato, no?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I consider myself one of Donato’s biggest early season critics on this board...or biggest critics prior to his trip down to Providence.

But...even if he’s weak on the puck at times, he looks WAY BETTER to me now than he did before his time in the A. Just a much more complete all around game and seems to have gotten back some of that confidence which made him so effective when he first arrived on the scene.

 

[sarge88]

Not specific to Donato.....but teams should have the choice between taking a PS or a PP.

Personally, I would probably take the PP over the PS for just about everyone except Pasta, Marchand and maybe Krug or McAvoy.

Makes no sense to me that you aren’t given the choice.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

I consider myself one of Donato’s biggest early season critics on this board...or biggest critics prior to his trip down to Providence.

But...even if he’s weak on the puck at times, he looks WAY BETTER to me now than he did before his time in the A. Just a much more complete all around game and seems to have gotten back some of that confidence which made him so effective when he first arrived on the scene.

Donato had a shitload of chances . Surely when Bergeron and Debrusk are back they can move Donato up and use him in a top 6 role and he will bury some of those chances . Right now everything is spread too thin .

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Not specific to Donato.....but teams should have the choice between taking a PS or a PP.

Personally, I would probably take the PP over the PS for just about everyone except Pasta, Marchand and maybe Krug or McAvoy.

Makes no sense to me that you aren’t given the choice.

I’ve always thought you should get the PP after the PS if you don’t score. I see no reason why committing a penalty on a guy on a breakaway shouldn’t be met with a more severe punishment than simply one penalty shot attempt.

 

[Ratty]

Ryan may have been stoned on tonight’s penalty shot, but I remember how he won a game for us with a SO goal a few weeks ago vs the Islanders.

The staff obviously has confidence in him as he’s an integral part of the PP and is on the ice for key moments in games.

 

[sarge88]

Ryan may have been stoned on tonight’s penalty shot, but I remember how he won a game for us with a SO goal a few weeks ago vs the Islanders.

The staff obviously has confidence in him as he’s an integral part of the PP and is on the ice for key moments in games.

I’m not picking on him....my issue is with the rule.

 

[Pay Carl]

Donato has been very good lately

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

He certainly doesn't suffer from Vatrano's brutal tunnel vision. He just seems to be struggling, at times, to get into a good enough position to use his vision and hands, because his skating sucks. The heart is there though - I love that he isn't scared of going to the front of the net.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm not seeing it with him to justify why he is in Boston and some other guys are not.

 

[BruinDust]

I raise points in #3 that are of my own analysis and provide reasons why I think Donato and Vatrano are different players. I’m “making it up” because it differs from your opinion? Noted.

I give reasons why I think Donato is a better player, and more talent than Vatrano, and I’m wearing “black & gold glasses.” Meanwhile you state saying anything “otherwise” than your point would be invalid. Noted.

Good talk.

People comparing Vatrano to Donato is like comparing Gryz to Krug. There are very few similarities between the two players (Donato/Vatrano).

 

[Ratty]

Donato has been very good lately

As long as he performs as well as he has since his call up the goals will come.

 

[LSCII]

You put donato on a pedestal.
Donato has 3G 2A in 19GP
Vatrano has 8G 3A in 30GP

Vatrano is small, donato plays small. Both are obviously shoot first players who have yet to find their groove in the NHL.

Saying otherwise is indeed favoring the current bruin. And of course my opinion is nearly worthless, I'm one of many posters on this board. Im not sure how your "analysis" gives you extra credibility.

Vatrano can't skate, and the last year he was here, he was dogging it on the defensive end. Literally standing around watching the play go back the other way without even trying to get back.

 

[KrejciWinger]

Vatrano can't skate, and the last year he was here, he was dogging it on the defensive end. Literally standing around watching the play go back the other way without even trying to get back.

And can you say donato is vastly better? My argument is they are the same player in our lineup.

People comparing Vatrano to Donato is like comparing Gryz to Krug. There are very few similarities between the two players (Donato/Vatrano).

Donato/Vatrano's production and inability to find a place in the lineup are two major similarities Krug/Gryz do not share.

Looks like I'm alone on this. If in two years Donato is a proven player AND with the bruins, I will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[KlausJopling]

While both are shoot first. Donato actually makes plays on pucks and cycles and passes, which Vatrano never did. Donato just needs to figure out how to win one on one battles against NHL players.

 

[BiGBear8]

As long as he performs as well as he has since his call up the goals will come.

yes I agree.goals will come..needs to be better on his skates don't you think

 

[Blowfish]

yes I agree.goals will come..needs to be better on his skates don't you think

He gets stronger on his skates and bruins Have themselves another much needed scoring threat. If that doesn’t happen well.

 

[bp13]

Vatrano can't skate, and the last year he was here, he was dogging it on the defensive end. Literally standing around watching the play go back the other way without even trying to get back.

I won't argue on Vatrano at all. And I haven't been following this debate here...but how do you feel about Donato's skating?

Personally I have some concerns about his skating. He's got that knock-kneed stride his dad kinda had and he made do obviously, but for now at least Ryan seems a step behind. I think if they weren't forcing the youth movement a bit here he'd still be in Providence. One man's opinion.

 

[LSCII]

I won't argue on Vatrano at all. And I haven't been following this debate here...but how do you feel about Donato's skating?

Personally I have some concerns about his skating. He's got that knock-kneed stride his dad kinda had and he made do obviously, but for now at least Ryan seems a step behind. I think if they weren't forcing the youth movement a bit here he'd still be in Providence. One man's opinion.

Definitely seems a little behind on the play, but I was chalking that up to trying to think more before reacting, since the club wants him to play a certain way. His straight line speed isn't really bad, it just seems to take him a while to get into his top gear.