RW/LW Lucas Raymond - Frolunda HC, SWE JRs (2020, 4th, DET)

[kilowatt]

Am I a f***ing Red Wings fan now? Stop taking all my favorite players!

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Maybe somebody can enlighten me, but what's up with the criticism of his size and strength?

He's 5' 10" 183, according to Elite Prospects, as an 18 year old. At his biggest, Datsyuk never pushed much higher than 190. There's plenty of stars that are roughly this size, not at 18, but at their peak.

 

[Tetsuo]

Maybe somebody can enlighten me, but what's up with the criticism of his size and strength?

He's 5' 10" 183, according to Elite Prospects, as an 18 year old. At his biggest, Datsyuk never pushed much higher than 190.

A lot of the criticism for his size/strength comes from the fact that he was 11 lbs lighter last off season and was a 17 year playing against men. Why Frolunda kept him up in the SHL is beyond me, but he's pretty much sorted out the size concern given that he's an explosive skater.

 

[Filppula]

I think Andersson obviously has a great track record during his career, but sometimes these executives and scouts live off reputation. Do we know that he’s done anything great recently?

Tend to agree. There’s a whole lot of busts amongst his recommendations. I like Raymond and I like Andersson as a scout, but man he gets overhyped for picks made 20 years ago.

 

[newfy]

Why would that even be bad? Doesn't Detroit need pure skill? McDavid is perimeter, MacKinnon is perimeter, Kane is perimeter, Panarin is perimeter. When you have that level of puck skills, the perimeter is where you play.

Detroit isn't lacking on guys who stand around the net or can battle in the corners. It's much harder to acquire players who can take over a shift on the perimeter. You aren't drafting Raymond to do that, and I don't even think he's completely perimeter. He's perimeter-oriented because it fits his skillset, but he's a hard working two-way guy and is willing to get to the middle of the ice when he needs to.

Because at 4 overlal you want a player that does everything. If hes a true perimeter guy, thats not the type of hockey that wins come playoff time. A lot of times perimeter players have to adjust to be successful in the playoffs when the games get tighter.

Its the one knock on his game that concerns me. Great prospect though, I'm excited a a wings fan, doesnt mean I have to love every part of his game though

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Am I a f***ing Red Wings fan now? Stop taking all my favorite players!

HOW ABOUT YOU JUST SHU* THE F*** UP AND WATCH US?!

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Maybe Panarin?

Parner?

 

[CLW]

No. But, anyone with his track record deserves the benefit of the doubt until they clearly botch something. Also very hard to tell how much an input an area scout has on each pick. Not saying he's perfect, but I sure as hell trust his opinion about a Swedish prospect over mine, anyone on this board, or pretty much anyone else alive. I know this is somewhat of an appeal to authority argument, but I'd be incredibly arrogent to not have a high-level of belief in Andersson's ability to identify talent over my own, especially for a kid in his backyard. I bash or support picks here all the time, but there are a few guys who I won't heavily question, and Andersson on a high Swedish pick is one of them.

That's how I see it too. Detroit sure did their due diligence on the other available picks at this range. I had Raymond slotted for the Detroit pick, he made the most sense for them. The question is if he can reach his lofty potential, but that goes for all picks.

 

[Merrrlin]

Larkin with Raymond on one side and Mantha on the other is really quite troubling....

Another step forward for Detroit.

 

[Christien]

Just scored a goal

 

[Tetsuo]

But Raymond doesn't get into the dangerous areas of the ice

 

[GoBoltz56]

Goalie didn't even move until it was past him

 

[raymond23]

Yeah I know, SHL goalies are waaaay worse than those kids playing goalie in the CHL, amirite?


Sigh...what a thing to focus on

I think he/she’s talking about the quality of shot, not the goalie

 

[SwedeChristoffer]

Yeah I know, SHL goalies are waaaay worse than those kids playing goalie in the CHL, amirite?


Sigh...what a thing to focus on

I think the comment was meant to prop up the deceptiveness of the release and velocity of the shot, rather than to knock the goalie performance.

 

[Martinez]

I think Andersson obviously has a great track record during his career, but sometimes these executives and scouts live off reputation. Do we know that he’s done anything great recently?

Yzerman appears to lean on him more than Holland did so we’ll see how the hakan picks turn out in a few years

 

[GoBoltz56]

I think the comment was meant to prop up the deceptiveness of the release and velocity of the shot, rather than to knock the goalie performance.

Yes...was commenting on the shot quality.

 

[ShanahanMan]

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Absolute beast. No doubt Ottawa's selection if Detroit didnt take him. Wise pick.

 

[OskarOskarius]

Absolute beast. No doubt Ottawa's selection if Detroit didnt take him. Wise pick.

He may very well end up being the best pick in the whole draft.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

He may very well end up being the best pick in the whole draft.

He will be better that Stutzle. Stutzle is overrated all skills and weak hockey IQ. This guy has everything elite skating tools, iq and he is playing in far superior league. DEL is shitshow slightly better than ECHL , brutally overrated.

 

[VictorLustig]

Steven Najserman kan sitta och GNUGGA!

Raymond played well yesterday. Had a really strong shift leading up to an assist. Goalie interference on the play unfortunately.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He may very well end up being the best pick in the whole draft.

I've read this about every player in the top 10 i think lol

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He will be better that Stutzle. Stutzle is overrated all skills and weak hockey IQ. This guy has everything elite skating tools, iq and he is playing in far superior league. DEL is shitshow slightly better than ECHL , brutally overrated.

Maybe 15 years ago. The DEL is pretty good now with a lot of guys having played in the AHL, SHL and NLA jumping over there. Even a few former NHLers. The top teams in the DEL could compete with any of the teams in the SHL.

And I'm a Wings fan who is really pulling for Raymond to be the right choice for the team, but stating that the 2nd/3rd highest ranked prospect has low hockey IQ is insane. Stutzle is supremely talented. Exceptional stickhandler. Easily top 3 in the draft. Possibly the best or 2nd best skating ability in the draft, and top notch playmaking ability while having a non-stop motor.

It's literally been 3 days since they were drafted. Slow your roll, dude.

 

[Tomas W]

Steven Najserman kan sitta och GNUGGA!

Raymond played well yesterday. Had a really strong shift leading up to an assist. Goalie interference on the play unfortunately.

Sit and rub, what?

 

[DJB]

He will be better that Stutzle. Stutzle is overrated all skills and weak hockey IQ. This guy has everything elite skating tools, iq and he is playing in far superior league. DEL is shitshow slightly better than ECHL , brutally overrated.

LOL